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2-5) MATHEMATISM (Gemini)
[8] A curious variant of idealism is to be found in the view which Friedrich Albert Lange has put forward in his widely read History of Materialism. He holds that the materialists are quite right in declaring all phenomena, including our thinking, to be the product of purely material processes, but, conversely, matter and its processes are for him themselves the product of our thinking.
“The senses give us only the effects of things, not true copies, much less the things themselves. But among these mere effects we must include the senses themselves together with the brain and the molecular vibrations which we assume to go on there."
That is, our thinking is produced by the material processes, and these by the thinking of our I. Lange's philosophy is thus nothing more than the story, in philosophical terms, of the intrepid Baron MĂĽnchhausen, who holds himself up in the air by his own pigtail.
Topic: Matter-Thinking Paradox
Baron MĂĽnchhausen note: The Baron's astounding feats included riding cannonballs, traveling to the Moon, and escaping from a swamp by pulling himself up by his own hair. His name is associated with absurdly exaggerated stories. Friedrich Albert Lange note: It is Lange's conviction that all scientific endeavor that does not limit itself to the evidence of the senses and the logical intellect that combines these elements of evidence must remain fruitless. That the senses and the intellect together, however, do not supply us with anything but a result of our own organization, he accepts as evidently following from his analysis of the origin of knowledge. The world is for him fundamentally a product of the fiction of our senses and of our intellects. Because of this opinion, he never asks the question of truth with regard to the ideas. A truth that could enlighten us about the essence of the world is not recognized by Lange. He believes he has obtained an open road for the ideas and ideals that are formed by the human mind and that he has accomplished this through the very fact that he no longer feels the need of attributing any truth to the knowledge of the senses and the intellect. Without hesitation he considered everything that went beyond sensual observation and rational combination to be mere fiction. No matter what the idealistic philosophers had thought concerning the nature of facts, for him it belonged to the realm of poetic fiction. -Rudolf Steiner, Riddles of Philosophy, p. 326 |
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2-6) RATIONALISM (Taurus)
[9] The third form of monism is the one which finds even in the simplest entity (the atom) both matter and spirit (mind) already united. But nothing is gained by this either, except that the question, which really originates in our consciousness, is shifted to another place. How comes it that the simple entity manifests itself in a two-fold manner, if it is an indivisible unity?
Topic: Indivisible Unity
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Gee Whiz Philosophizing
Having experienced for outselves the transition from Spiritualism to one-sided Idealism, and having felt its failure to break through the barrier of our own ego's activity, we turn again to Materialistic Monism for an explanation of the world.
All phenomena arise out of purely material processes, including our own thinking, in some as-yet-unexplained way.
But now Idealism, the idea that the whole phenomenal world arises out of our own thinking, is granted equal weight with the materialistic explanation.
When I try to hold these equal and opposite ideas in my mind, I get a feeling that reminds me of what a teacher of mine, back in my university days, used to call "gee-whiz journalism."
This arises when a naive reporter takes up the point of view of whomever he or she is interviewing, with such enthusiasm that critical thinking goes out the window. Instead of breaking through to a deeper understanding of the development he or she is investigating, the gee-whiz journalist becomes a salesman for whatever product or idea the subject of the story is trying to promote.
When I read what Lange writes, and what Steiner says about it, I get that "gee-whiz" feeling. It's as if Lange is saying, "Ain't it amazing, that our senses can only give us the effects of things, while at the same time they're only an effect themselves!"
The sense of wonder at this strange fellowship of opposing ideas would be appropriate at the beginning of an investigation, to stimulate one's efforts, but should never be presented as the investigation's result.
Suppose, then, I take it up as the start of an investigation. As a Materialist in love with the phenomenal world and with materialistic natural science, I encounter what science says about sensory perception. Lange has pretty much laid it out in the two sentences Steiner quotes here. The senses can't give us the things themselves, but only their effects. The senses themselves are also only the effects of something else.
So, as a Materialist, I'm forced into Critical Idealism by what science says about the senses. Materialism itself kicks me out of the monistic one-world view and squarely into the dualistic view again.
If I'm going to get beyond the "gee-whiz" of this predicament, I'm going to have to face the fact that this whole line of thinking about the senses and what they can and can't do, invalidates the law of cause and effect on which my Materialism rests.
I'm struck also by the fact that, later in PoF, Steiner presents thinking very similarly to the way that he presents it here, but with opposite results. In 3.9, we can grasp thinking by means of itself, while here Baron Munchhausen tries to hold himself up in the air by his own pigtail, but really can't.
The difference is that, by the time we get to 3.9, Steiner has gotten rid of the material processes associated with thinking. Like the gravity that the Baron can't overcome, material processes are what seem to be the spoiler here.
Excellent points
Excellent points - thank you
Unreliable knowledge
Idealism can lead to the view that the perceived world is a product of our mind. By studying the perception process it is discovered that the mind builds up a picture of the world from the sensations given by the senses. If anything exists beyond the mind it is lost on the journey from initial sense perception to the final image created in our mind of the outer world. The mind creates the world we see. Chapter 4 goes into this view in depth.
If Materialism is also accepted our mind is a product of the brain and the material world. Our thoughts are determined by our physical organization. Both views confine us within our own subjective self, physical and mental. Our observations and thinking would be subjective according to the make-up of our physical and mental organization. From this perspective everyone would have their own personal view without the existence of any universal truth or reliable knowledge of the world.
If our senses and thinking can't be trusted I could see someone turning to hard data to come up with facts. Scientists and engineers will accumulate vast amounts of instrument collected data and then have computers work it over to arrive at a reliable result. An attempt is made to remove observational and thinking subjectivity.
Rationalism
How do we see rationalism here?
Isn't atomism more consistent with materialism?
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Materialism won't find spirit in matter. The Rationalist values ideas that are found "outside themselves" and "active in the world." This normally means the sense perceptible world. The Rationalist is interested in ideas that are united with the external sense world. The Idealist has a broader interest in ideals that may not be confirmed in the world. Whereas the Mathematist is interested in a narrower band of ideas which you can use to calculate with.
As atoms are too tiny for sense perception, Jay, you must be figuring they fall into the materialistic view. I think the Rationalist avoids things that can't be verifyed in the sense world. Wouldn't atoms be considered verifyed as real by a Rationalist today?
Transcendental rationalism = atomism
OK - that makes sense to me now - I forgot that we were in the mood of transcendentalism...
thanks
In what way are you seeing
In what way are you seeing Transcendentalism?
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In the sense that there is 'something behind all things' - for the rationalist a likely candidate for this is the atom.
That's excellent. Its out
That's excellent. Its out there, beyond anything the soul can experience. Its moments like this where you can see the genius in the text and how clear Steiner could see things.
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Tinyworld on Trial
(As a Dualist, I've dispatched my first two opponents:Â the Materialistic Monist, who can't explain thinking, and the Spiritualistic one, who won't face up to her responsibilities to the material world.
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Now my third and most formidable rival appears on the scene: the Combination Monist, who says that spirit and matter have always been one. I see by her outfit that she is a lawyer.
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I desperately want to believe her, because I don't really want to be a Dualist, but she has to prove her case.)
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As the Combination Monist, I'm a lawyer because I want to defend, with reason, the union of spirit and matter.
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If spirit and matter are united in the world, they must also be united in the smallest whole unit of the world: the atom. Are they so united? I submit that, if they weren't, the world could not be as we find it. The atom contains all the material world as a potential, and it also contains the spiritual potential to develop consciousness, desire, intelligence and all the rest. Otherwise, we couldn't be here asking these questions!
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Spirit and matter, on the microcosmic level as well as the macrocosmic one, are as inseparable as the top and bottom of a bowl. If you just look at a bowl's top, you'll think it's one thing, but if you just look at the bottom you'll think it's another. If you want to understand the whole bowl, you have to look at it from both sides.
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Therefore, the whole Dualist dilemma is resolved the moment you recognize that the spiritual world always has a backside, and this backside is the material world.
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You may ask why, if everything is copacetic between spirit and matter, do we human beings have such a problem with meshing the two?
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The answer is that we refuse to use our reason! If we did, we'd see that there's no need to keep spinning our wheels over a duality that doesn't really exist.
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Does that mean there's no need for religion, art and science, which we all pursue in our various ways to try and heal that imaginary breach? Not at all! Just think what religion, art and science will be able to accomplish, now that we have the firm basis to unite all three!
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I can't do your thinking for you. I can give you the rules of jurisprudence and tell you what kind of evidence you should admit. But the verdict is ultimately up to you. Only for God's sake, use your reason!
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(Dualist:Â Then my reason tells me that, although you may be right, you still haven't proved your case.
Atoms have no problems because they ask no questions. If these questions can only be asked of and by a human consciousness, then a human consciousness has to work out the answers within that consciousness. If you want to help me, you're going to have to talk to me where I live, not in some hypothetical Tinyworld of atoms!)Â
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