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Is there a cost to the course? -A

No, the course is free, the expense of providing the course has been paid by donors to the website.
Tom

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Do i need to read the book itself (the philosophy of freedom) while taking this course? or does the course stand in itself? -F

An illustated edition of The Philosophy Of Freedom is within the course and also on the website download page, along with other editions of the book.
Tom

I was wondering since Steiner wanted us to be so free and to make our own way in the world. Why is it the waldorf education it seems as if the children are clones of one another? Not really free spirits, just products of their environment. -A

My children went to Waldorf schools though I am not real knowledgable on Waldorf education. Freedom develops according to stages. The ideal goal of the Waldorf curriculum is supposed to support a child's development toward freedom according to age appropriate activity.

A young child hasn't developed the ability to think yet, so they are mainly perceiving beings. What they are perceiving is their environment, so the environment is very important to the child's development at that stage. They also are too young to develop real individuality yet, so they are more dependent upon social conformity. As far as the right balance between freedom and conformity for your child, that is an ongoing struggle parents have in raising children. As a parent I seemed to suffer everyday over that question.

True freedom originates out of free thinking. This is something only adults can achieve who have a fully grown brain. The Philosophy Of Freedom is for adults who want to further develop their thinking beyond the normal everyday kind. -Tom

Is stillness of mind an example of pure thinking? I'm not sure because it seems like i'm not thinking at all. It just seems like an empty stage. -J

We know that our mind can be out of focus. We know that an unfocused mind experiences a flow of often unwanted thoughts. We know you can observe something and not think. Some people like to practice non-thinking or the "empty stage" as you say. We have the freedom to think or not. When we think we direct our attention upon something and produce concepts that correspond to what we are thinking about. Pure thinking has content, it is thinking in pure concepts, it isn't an empty stage.

How can you take a quiz at the end of each section of the study course if the quizzes are at the end of the course and there is no easy way to get to them except by scrolling page by page? -G

That is a problem. The scrolling is slow the first time through as the program makes you stop at each slide. After that, the scrolling is fast, as you will no longer have to stop at the slides. I had the quizzes at the end of each chapter in my first course attempt, but many people didn't want to take the quiz. So I put them at the back as an option.


Can it all come down to meditation as the way to freedom, in thinking being and living? -J

Rather than meditation, I would use the term thinking contemplation. The key to free action is having developed the capacity of moral intuition, which involves using the ability to think freely without preconceptions and bias (pure thinking) to select the moral principle to be applied in a particular case from your whole world of ideas. (see chapter 13.0 MORAL IMAGINATION) This can be tried just by sitting down and reflecting upon the ethics of a decision that needs to be made. This ability can be further developed so it can work more quickly in the moment you need an answer.

With this key element in mind you could say it comes down to thinking being and living.

POF 10.4 when all other grounds that determine action take second place, then we rely, in the first place, on conceptual intuition itself. All other motives now drop out of sight, and the ideal content of an action alone becomes its motive.

POF 10.5 For such an action to be possible, we must first be capable of moral intuitions. Whoever lacks the capacity to think out for himself the moral principles that apply in each particular case, will never rise to the level of genuine individual willing.


Is pure thinking when you meditate and think of nothing and everything is blank and still in your mind, not letting other thoughts come into your mind at that moment? -J


POF Chapter 4 THOUGHT AS THE INSTRUMENT OF KNOWLEDGE explains thinking and pure thinking.

The first step in thinking is focus --but focus upon something, which can be an object or a past thought.

POF 4.3 As long as I think about the object, I am absorbed in it, my attention is turned on it. To be thus absorbed in the object is to contemplate it by thought
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Can you be a free human being and be a member of the church of jesus christ
of latterday saints (the Mormons)  -J


Most Western religions believe that God gave the human being free will, otherwise you can't have moral responsibility, meaning without having freedom you can't be held responsible for your acts. The free thinking and free morality in the Philosophy Of Freedom means to know, rather than to have blind faith, and to act out of knowledge. It is more concerned with the process of how you arrive at knowledge (free thinking) and why you act (free deed) than what you know or what you do. Rather than accepting what you are told you examine it and arrive at your own conclusion. So in that sense you could be an atheist (atheists have principles too) or religious. After you act you can examine the results to see if it was actually "good or bad".

Freedom is to live according to your highest ideals, because that is the only way you can live to your highest potential and love life. -T

What is the difference between thinking of the soul and thinking of the spirit? Steiner said:... the spirit is experienced directly in the act of intuitive thinking. Only in that moment? What about our daily thoughts? -R


I relate an experience of the spirit in my thinking as a moment of “insight”. The flash of mental clarity that is filled with life and can occur at any time. While this experience can occur at any time the Philosophy Of Freedom is a study of the thinking process to set the right conditions so that this experience will occur more often.

In Chapter 6 OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD a distinction is made between the foggy lack of focus state and the willful effort state to focus on a thing or theme and think about it. We have the choice to think or not think. Daily thoughts can be a stream of unconnected thoughts, but at any moment we can focus our thoughts and begin willful thinking. By means of intuitive thinking we experience truth by penetrating deeply into the phenomena of the world. This willful thinking can move to pure conceptual thinking (intuitive thinking) where intuitive insight is more likely to occur.

It is in Chapter 6 OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD where the topic of intuition is discussed in regard to science and in chapter 10 THE IDEA OF FREEDOM where it is discussed in regard to ethics. Chapter 6 is about how to discover the conceptual intuition that corresponds to the world and Chapter 10 is about the moral intuition.

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Question
8.11 when Steiner says that "..we believe that we can understand the situation well enough from a sufficiently large number of instances..this is called in inductive inference", I don't know if he means that this is a wrong attitude to be taken by us or that it is indeed the right one, or should I figure it out for myself. -S
REPLY Wrong or right may not be the best question to apply to POF. I compare the different views in a chapter and try to learn from all of them. You can compare Monsm to making an Inductive Inference.He is describing two ways of gaining knowledge. Chapter 8 discusses the process of cognition, the combining of the perception with the concept to get the complete reality. Monism combines the sum of perceptions (facts) and their conceptual connections (laws). By knowing the laws at work you have gained knowledge of the event without the need of further perceptions.

With Inductive Inference you study the effects and try to discover the underlying cause. It says that your results will be only relatively true, since it is subject to correction by further instances. “anything inferred from past percepts will be somewhat modified by each subsequent percept” This doesn't sound like you have discovered the core principle (cause).

Say you were trying to understand a person. You draw your conclusion about the person based on the few times you were with them. Each time you were with them again, you would get to know them better. But if you knew the universal laws of human behavior that applied to them, as a psychologist would try to do, you would know them better with less observations than the person getting to know them by inductive inference alone.


Slide Number: 28 of 279
Question Regarding the "exceptional state" Steiner refers to..am I being right in assuming that a positive effect in me or my life should manifest itself if I indeed engaged in this kind of observation of thinking?


(POF 4.7) For everyone who has the ability to observe thought --and with good will every normally constituted person has this ability -- the observation of thought is the most important observation that can be made.
It requires effort and taking the time to do it like exercising, so it could bring some discomfort. POF goes on and on as to how important "thinking" is, so how can we improve our thinking if we aren't aware of it or don't examine it?

You are touching on what may be the most important question concerning the promotion of Rudolf Steiner's path to freedom. How does Rudolf Steiner's idealistic humanism benefit my life? So few people know about this path and apply Steiner's principles (as I say, in a conscious way out of the book, which will accelerate progress) that we don't have the testimonials proclaiming the good results. Or maybe those who have, don't have a vehicle to express themselves. I am hoping to gather testimonials from those who do the study course and strive to apply the principles. You have to learn them first.

I apply the principles everyday, as it really is a practical book once you learn how to translate principles into action (how to do this is discussed in the book). This of course involves being aware of your thoughts and thinking processes. Someone observing me and comparing me to traditional standards would likely be unimpressed. An ethical individualist would not likely conform to the built up image of the traditional "spiritual" person held by others, unless one knew what to look for. The ethical individualist wouldn't likely be trying to impress anyone, as a traditionalist must do to maintain applause from their group. False humility isn't necessary. I am able to gather the facts,
do the research to learn about the field involved, select the relevant ethical principle, and imaginatively translate this principle into specific action that works in the specific situation and usually predict the results. I am completely self-motivated, and doing exactly what I love doing. When drifting off the mark it is not difficult to identify why. I can say I am on the path indicated in the newest title of POF: Intuitive Thinking As A Spiritual Path.

In addition to new knowledge and thought training, The Philosophy of Freedom brings into consciousness and puts into a cohesive order many things you already know and abilities you already have allowing you to operate at a higher level. -T

 

Question: Why do we have to get 100% to pass the quiz??? Just curious, and I tried to go back and redo my quiz and I couldn't seem to get it to reset, is it to late? I am still trying to navigate my way around the study site and I see that you have online study groups. I don't use my computer much to network with others (facebook) but I am interested in this if you think it will help the study process? -P
Reply: The quiz is meant to be a review of the material, not a test. I didn't think anyone would move on after a wrong answer without trying again until they got the right answer. That way everyone would score 100%. After you select "submit quiz" at the end of all the chapter quiz questions, you cannot correct your answer as it is locked in. Your score doesn't matter as you will still achieve a certificate of completion.
No study group is active now. If enough people want to start an online study group that can be done.


Question:
I seem unable to get this question correct. Can I move on? -P

Reply: This is a select all the correct answers quiz. All the answers are correct except this one: "Belief does not always conform to the outer norm"  -T

Question:
"Only ill will could find in these changes occasion to suggest that I have changed my fundamental conviction."
Hi Tom,
I copy/pasted this from Steiner's preface to the 1918 revised edition of POF.
this remark by him troubles me in the context of your pick of Hoernles's translation for the study of this course. it almost seems as if Steiner was able to foresee what will occur in a reader's mind. for me, there are consequences in choosing one edition or another, so i would appreciate very much if you have something to say in this manner because i may be taking thiese words out of context. i'll appreciate you point of view.
Thanks, -S


Reply: I know the book well enough to prove that each of his revisions do not change his "fundamental convictions" which are based on scientific observation and analysis. But the revisions are significant for another reason. The original POF was written for the philosophy and scientific community, while the revised edition was revised for the theosophy community. When Steiner began he spoke and lectured to the world whole (who could not understand POF or even like the idea of free individuality -too radical), later he limited his lectures and message to a narrow theosophical community after the world had shown little interest in his POF ideas. I am interested in bringing Steiner's message to the whole world which has changed since the 1900's.

In the early 1900's theosophy was a popular fad in Germany and it was easy to fill a lecture hall talking about far out theosophy topics. But the theosophists weren't interested in science or POF, they wanted to hear about ghosts, Atlantis, and the supernatural. Still, POF was so important that Steiner made an attempt to revise it in the hopes they would find interest in it, but Steiner failed again, as even today most anthroposophist's see no value in POF except as some sort of support for his later work. (it supports "Steiner's" cognitive method of individualistic knowledge, but it actually condemns many of his followers who have turned Steiner's work into a "belief" system, rather than doing any thinking of their own). The Philosophy of Freedom is for the world, not one small group.

POF was originally intended for the age of science, perhaps it was ahead of its time. Things have changes in the past 100 years. Today, science dominates the culture while speculative theosophy is an object of ridicule. So the version of POF appropriate for today is the science edition rather than the theosophy edition.

But the difficulty remains. Steiner couldn't sell it and I am having a hard time selling it. Those who understand it recognize it as holding the answer for our age, but when people read it they don't get much out of it like you do when reading an ordinary book. So the challenge is for some people today to get it, and then find a way to help other people to get it. Then more ethical individualists, who know what needs to be done and are empowered to do it, will be working to improve the world.

Question:
Course finished. Where do I sign for Part 2? Are there any active study groups at the moment that I can Join? -S

Reply: Great job. Your questions were excellent. I am working on Part II and will be posting the chapters in textbook form as they are done (1 or 2 per week). Then it won't take long to put the course together once I have the chapter textbook.

5 or 6 new people are signing up for the study course everyday, so there should be enough interest to start and sustain a study group. I have made many unsuccessful attempts over the years, but have never had this much interest. Success depends on working out the details of what technology: Skype? How to encourage participation? (bring something to share prepared in advance?) Time?, possible participants live in all time zones. 

Here is a study group approach that I know works, if it could only be transferred online some how: http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/index.php?q=node/1536

I can set up a sign-up page for those interested in a study group and we could try to work out some details?

You could also consider a Project Based Study Project if you can come up with a project that motivates you. Info here: http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/5556

Question
slide 264: The effects of heredity, in my opinion are perceived by the senses. are they not? -S
Reply: We can perceive things, including what would be the effects of heredity, but it is thinking that identifies the observations as effects of heredity and recognizes the non-sense perceptible "ideal genetic entity" that endures.

Question: I completed the course but i still don't know to which object belonging to the world to devote my activity.
(POF 6-12) "Once we know how we are to conceive the world, it will be an easy task to adapt ourselves to it. Only when we know to what object we are to devote our activity can we put our whole energy into our actions."
Reply: This could mean many things. It appears at the end of chapter 6 "Knowing the world", which discussed the process of conception. The problem of chapter 5 was that we were trapped in a world of our preconceptions. Are we observing the world or only our own projection? Now in chapter 6 we  have learned about how we can know the world by discovering the conceptual intuition that corresponds to the world (this is really just a deepening of critical thinking). We draw a line between what is given to us in perception and what we add with fresh thinking.
This knowing the world is empowering as we now know what we are dealing with. Below is a principle from chapter 1.
1.2 Truth Empowers
[4] Truth alone can give us confidence in developing our powers. He who is tortured by doubts finds his powers lamed. In a world of riddle of which baffles him, he can find no aim for his activity.

Question: knowing the world sounds great, but what if i don't "get" fresh intuition and instead just keep speculating about the meaning of the percieved events? Now i'm trapped in an unproductive old habbit of thinking and it seems to me that i need to learn to stop this process before a fresh intuition can stem forth.
 The thinking observation exercises by Jurgen Strube seems to me to be abstract as they encompass the pure concepts of geometry and mathematics, but my every day experience is not similar to this. i always encounter percieved events and my added thinking about them and i still remain buffled by the experience, and i still cannot lift my self to the level of pure reasoning. i have little faith in devoting myself to these thinking exercises as they seem not related to the world. am i wrong in my premise?

Reply: I would agree that the exercises are abstract. They focus on the observation of thinking. I tried to present the whole process in the image on this page:  http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/5592 
It begins with the scientist and scientific thinking to grasp the laws in our life events. Then the steps that follow are not abstract but grounded in this first step. I would call this critical thinking that is supposedly taught in school. This can be deepened by deepening observation where its more like you extract the thoughts that exist within things.

I don't see anything within the process described in POF that requires some extra exceptional skills, other than intuitive insight which shouldn't be that exceptional.  What I see are college level thinking skills of scientific thinking, philosophic thinking, artistic imaginative thinking, and learned technique all integrated and working together so we operate at our fullest potential. Chapter 10 The Idea of Freedom and Chapter 13 Moral Imagination give a more complete picture. 

You raise an important point, and that is how to improve thinking in our daily life. My experience is that the study of POF had a profound influence on my ability to intuit the corresponding concepts of a life situation. Like it says in chp 6 you place yourself before a plant and the corresponding concept arises. Steiner says that the deepening of knowledge depends on the development of intuition. He also says the proper study of POF is a training for such. 

I did things like trying to condense a POF paragraph or section down to a short topic heading or identify the world view or try to discover various connects between parts of the book, or try to see how one thought grows out of the previous. This are various study projects that require intuition to see, so intuition is developed. Because your intuition is developed it shows up in the rest of your life. So the POF book study itself is the best training. 

POf book study can only be maintained if you are rewarded with moments of intuitive insight. So the first thing is to reach that point. Make sure you appreciate the value of those moments of insight because they are your guide. You can have dry patches where it seems you are over thinking and just getting confused, but the next day you may get a great insight. Part II will help as the book gives you a lot of pieces that you need to fit together to see the whole.

Chapter 7
Individuality Slide Number: 227 of 297
Question: Objective personality
principle 7.5 [9]:" if our personality expressed itself only in cognition..."
as opposed to feelings?
i don't understand the concept of objective personality, is this should be my goal?
does it mean that if could refute my feelings then my mental pictures would be identical to reality? -F

Reply
This chapter refers to our two-fold nature. In pure thinking we enter the world of universal concepts, with our “objective personality”. To individualize a concept we are influenced by our “subjective personality”, what is individual about us, such as feelings of pleasure or displeasure. Our mental pictures are our individual expressions. We individualize a concept by connecting our observation with its corresponding conceptual intuition. How well we use our two sources of knowledge, intuition and observation (chapter 6), determine how expressive of reality we are. Maybe you could say we are artists of reality when we form mental pictures.
Later in the chapter it talks of the education of feelings and reaching up our feelings into the world of ideals found in pure thinking. -T

Chapter 7
Individuality Slide Number: 227 of 297
Question: refer to feelings
Principle 7.6 asserts that i'm not satisfied with saying "this is a table", i also say "this is an ugly table"?
Reply
Yes, you could say we are not satisfied with merely calling an object a table. We also want to express our relationship with the table, whether we like it or not.


Chapter 6
Knowing The World Slide Number: 214 of 297
Question: Quiz answer
I thought the right answer was thinking and observation.. -F
Reply
I see that in Chapter 6 Knowing The World it mentions two answers to the question. That means your answer was correct and I will have to change the quiz question.
6.5 Indivisible Existence of Concept With Percept
“Our whole organization functions in such a way that in the apprehension of every real thing the relevant elements come to us from two sources, viz., from perception and from thought.”
6.10 Corresponding Intuition
“Intuition and observation are the sources of our knowledge.”
-T

Chapter 5 The World As Percept Slide Number: 155 of 297
Question: Origin of perception video
Did you or one of your team create this video?(just curious) -F
Reply
That's a very interesting unedited video found on youtube about the sense perception process according to physiology, a main discussion in chapter 5 The World As Percept. -T

Chapter 4 Thought Slide Number: 128 of 297
Question: Observation exercise blocks for writing in observations
I wanted to draw your attention to the fact that there is no possibility to write one's answers in the brackets where it says:"Type your results before reading on..." I'm not sure if you are aware of that.. -F
Reply
The temptation is to just read about the exercises and not do them, so the boxes were added to encourage the reader to pause and do the exercise. It is not possible to write in the boxes because the mindflash program is "Flash". That is why you can't copy the course. But most of the course is on the download page for copy purposes.  You can open a document file and type your answers in a different document. -T

Chapter 4 Thought Slide Number: 124 of 297
Question: Observation of past thought
Does the fact that i cannot observe my thinking in the present but only in the past suggests that this capacity has to do with my memory capacity? -F
Reply
Steiner calls the observation of thinking an "exceptional state" because it isn't normally noticed. In order to think, our attention has to be on what we are thinking about. The second step, the full attention on the thoughts produced is not usually taken. This does involve remembering the thoughts, which can be a problem. You can sit down and rethink the issue again and then write down the process while you still remember it. This is discussed in the thinking observation exercises. Seems like this is a question that needs to be personally experienced and sorted out when working with the chapter observation exercises. The author of the exercises does a good job discussing the observation of thinking. Even if the exercises aren't practiced, they should be read. -T

Chapter 2 Human Action Slide Number: 64 of 297
Question: How to watch blocked video
Is there's any way i can watch this blocked video?, I’ll appreciate it very much..My concern is that i don't get the full data and thus won't get the ideas fully.. -F
Reply
The cartoons and videos don't add anything new to the course, they are individual imaginative expressions of the book content. They just express the book content in an individualized way. Everyone is encouraged to do this as it is a great way to study and make the book your own. Learn about it on this page: Project Based Study. A lot of smart people are fighting government internet suppression so a solution may exist. If you research the issue of government blocking of YouTube on the internet you may finds ways to get around it. I know Germany blocks many videos, but there is a way around it.

Chapter 2 Human Action Slide Number: 64 of 297
Question: Blocked video
This video has been blocked by FOX due to copyright infringement.. -F
Reply
Thanks, YouTube blocks videos in some countries according to the countries suppressive policies or copyright laws. I may change some videos. I don't know for how long the internet will remain free before independent websites disappear. Internet activism is very important if the internet is to remain (mostly) free. -T

Topic Index Slide Number: 30 of 297
Question: Concept of purpose
12.3 “A perceptible influence of a concept upon something else is to be observed only in human action.”
Is conversation considered as a human action? -F

Reply
Conversation is an action. Whether it qualified as “human” or “free” or “purposeful” action I would think would depend on the speaker in a specific situation. Language took purpose to be developed, but it can be used by anyone, free or unfree -T

Introduction Slide Number: 24 of 297
Question: Translations quiz question
In the previous slide there is a mention of Poppelbaum's edition entitled "the philosophy of spiritual activity" but there is no mention of Lindeman, and there is no mention of Wilson's revised hardback..so this was confusing for me. --F
Reply
After looking at that I thought I would add a list of all the English translations to slide 22. Thanks for pointing things out, as it will make for a better study course. -T

Introduction
Introduction Slide Number: 59 of 297
Question: Read book?
Do i need to read the book itself (the philosophy of freedom) while taking this course? or does the course stand in itself? -F
Reply
The book is within the course in textbook form. The other course material expresses the book in other ways, using quotes from the book. Reading the book in its plain form gives one the pure experience without anything added. Though reading comprehension is important and is easier to achieve by focusing on sections first. -T

Chapter 1 Goal of Knowledge Slide Number: 37 of 297
Question: Cartoon character
The cartoon picture where the realist says:"...for obvious reasons!". Who is the character on the left with the brown tie? -F
Reply
The topic is leaderless striving; “Each one of us must choose his hero in whose footsteps he toils up to Olympus” no longer holds for us. In the previous panel we have one older character, the spiritualist, in the grey shirt who wants to be the guru. The character in the white shirt is considering following him. A realist in a yellow shirt warns him that following a guru doesn't support individuality, because the followers conform to becoming just like the guru. So the character who is to follow the guru changes in appearance and now appears in the cloths and beard of the guru. In other words, he has not developed individuality, but rather turned into a clone of his guru. -T

Chapter 1 Goal of Knowledge Slide Number: 48 of 297
Question: Picture quiz
Where do i put the labels? -A.
Reply
There are two little boxes that appear on the picture quiz. You grab the label in the part that has the dots and put the dot part into the box on the picture.


Introduction Slide Number: 6 of 297
Question: violation of natural law
By "not violating the natural law by which things are connected" are you referring to clairvoyance? could it be, for argument's sake, that in a specific situation, the act of killing or stealing could be the result of ethical individualism? I, for one, tend to believe the answer is "no", but this comes from outer knowledge for me..  --F.
Reply
There is moral intuition, where you intuitively select your ethical principle, then moral imagination where you imaginatively translate your ethical principle into specific action, and the moral technique where you apply your vision without violating the natural law by which things are connected. These laws are discovered by science, not clairvoyance, and learned in the normal educational preparation in your field of work, such as by going to college. (POF 13-3)
The ethical principle you select is intuitive, a different process than that of technique. If you establish a fixed ethical principle such as "Do not steal or kill" you are not ethically free. The principle that you would apply is situational and selected from all your ethical principles according to the particular situation. -T

 

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