![]() theosophy: divine wisdom (God) anthroposophy: human wisdom (Guru) anthrophilosophy: human love of wisdom (Individual) Anthroposophy is powered by the intuitive insight of Rudolf Steiner as a Guru who answers the questions of others. Anthrophilosophy is powered by the intuitive insight of the individual, individualistic knowledge that answers the questions the individual poses to himself. The Philosophy of Freedom explains that this individual question and answer process is how we overcome our separation and integrate ourselves into the world. (2-0, 7-10) Rudolf Steiner's work appears in two phases; as a free spirited philosopher he struggled to answer the questions that arose within himself on his path to freedom, and later as a mystic and guru he was to guide others. This website is focused on Steiner's path to free himself (18-39 age, up to 1899), before he converted to theosophy to lead others. (1900-1925). Nature, society and of course the individual himself contribute to human development. Nature makes us a natural being, society makes us a law-abiding being, but it is up to each one of us to make ourselves a free being (9-11). Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy is more concerned with the first two, working with nature and social institutions. Using his gift of clairvoyance as an instrument for science, Steiner was able to discover fundamental lawfulness applicable to many established fields. These laws of nature and spirit fill the vast anthroposophical library ready to renew the institutions of society: agriculture, art, education, medicine, science, religion, government etc. Anthrophilosophy is focused on free individuality, the pursuit of freedom leading to the self-determined individual who creates his own laws. Nothing in nature or society can give us freedom. This is something we can only give to ourselves. The brief outline within The Philosophy Of Freedom presents a philosophy of life empowered by ones own intuitive insight. For example, the anthroposophist Waldorf teacher will strictly apply Rudolf Steiner's principles of education. The anthrophilosophist educator is not limited to these principles, but will select, according to his own intuitive insight, from all the principles of education he is aware of and may even develop his own principles. |
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"before he (Steiner)
"before he (Steiner) converted to the mysticism of theosophy" - where did you get that nonsense?
PS: Your biographical chronology omits 1918 2nd edition Philosophie der Freiheit and 1924 new printing Grundlinien einer Erkenntnistheorie der Goetheschen Weltanschauung with new footnotes and preface etc.
He converted to theosophy.
He converted to theosophy. He had detested theosophists earlier, his early work scoffed at speculative metaphysics (see POF), there is no theosophy in POF which contains all the ideas of his early days; he didn't use the language of theosophy until his conversion.
conversion: the process of changing from one system, method, or use to another
Hi Tom, Appreciate your stance on this but...
How do you square it with quotes like these from "The Boundaries of Natural Science", lecture 7. R. Steiner?
"I have spoken to you about the conception underlying my book PoF. The book is actually a modest attempt to win through to pure thinking, the pure thinking in which the ego can live and maintain a firm footing. Then, when pure thinking has been grasped in this way, one can strive for something else."..... please note, "something else".
Steiner clarifies this "something else" as an experience, in the next paragraph. "We exclude thinking inasmuch as we take into ourselves the whole content of the perception.". This has got to be the experience of imaginative clairvoyance that your view seems to want to screen out? The man himself seems very happy with the continuity..
All good wishes,
Bryn
something else
This "something else" is the whole point of The Philosophy of Freedom. Without it you just have what,.. rationalism? When you enter into pure thinking --or purer conceptual thinking with less stuff from the world in it like emotions, past experience, perceptual elements etc.-- new things start to happen. Intuitive insights are one obvious new thing. But other experiences might also happen.
The door begins to open. But this is a personal experience. Why make all kinds of assumptions based on someone else's experience? This is a trap that may cause a person to be blinded to their own experience while waiting for the experience that was read about.
But the point is that POF takes you to the door, but it has nothing to say as to what is on the other side. Each individual can see for themselves. POF is not concerned with this.
Anthroposophy is one man's imaginations. We each will have our own. Maybe they will confirm others, maybe not. POF is a foundation for anybody in search of truth. It can lead to any other "continuation" whether it is science, humanism, atheism, spiritualism, activism etc.
It doesn't have any special connection to anthroposophy, in fact it condemns the speculative metaphysics, feeling spiritualism, Divine will, religion, group conformity and most other things you find in anthroposophy. This is not to say it contradicts Steiner, but it certainly contradicts most anthroposophists. This is undeniable. But POF challenges most everything else someone follows or believes in also.
Yes. See what you mean Tom.
No doubt about it, yes, PoF has nothing to say about what is on the other side of the door. But any reader who reads in the way Rudi recommends is going to notice the state of mind out of which the author must have been writing; to sense Steiner's heightened consciousness that pre-exists and underpins the pared-down sylogistic presentation he offers from his personal prior spirituality. The roots of PoF as they lived in the auther before PoF's composition are plain to any awake reader. (Philosophy of Spiritual Activity?) Put crudely you wouldn't have to be far in to think to yourself : "Hey, this guy's coming from a spiritual agenda".
But of course, that the good effect would be nonetheless real on the reader, I agree wholeheartedly there. But is hard to imagine where else, that a sucessful PoF reader would then go having read it,.other than towards Steiner's anthroposophy with all its theological baggage.
I must stress that I appreciate this site. I'm just asking, and thinking about stuff.
All the best
Bryn
The "spiritual" activity
The "spiritual" activity was added later when he was trying to make POF compatible with his later conversion to theosophy. Why did he make the 1918 revisions to try and make it more compatible? Because it wasn't.
He declares his "mood of thought" in the intro to the original 1894 preface. It is INDIVIDUALITY not spirituality (the mood is here in the original chapter 1).
In the following is reproduced, in all essentials, what stood as a preface in the first edition of this book. Since it shows the mood of thought out of which I wrote this book twenty-five years ago, rather than having any direct bearing on its contents, I include it here as an appendix. I do not want to omit it altogether, because the opinion keeps cropping up that I need to suppress some of my earlier writings on account of my later ones on spiritual science.
Why does he mention that many say his earlier writings contradict his later? Because they do! Well, in approach anyway. He declared the difference when he said POF contained no results of clairvoyant research.
You say an impartial reader will say: "Hey, this guy's coming from a spiritual agenda". What? I view the book as presenting 12 views. The spiritualist and pneumatist views on occasion make spiritual references because the book is broadminded to include all views. But it more often slams the spiritual as it also slams materialism.
This is the most spiritual he gets (pneumatism 5-8). In thinking, we have that element given us which welds our separate individuality into one whole with the cosmos. In so far as we sense and feel (and also perceive), we are single beings; in so far as we think, we are the all-one being that pervades everything. It is spiritual by mentioning God but individualistic by saying "we are God".
Here is another example of an individualistic spirituality. (pneumatism 10-8) The moral laws which the metaphysician who works by mere inference must regard as issuing from a higher power, are, for the adherent of monism, thoughts of men; for him the moral world order is neither the imprint of a purely mechanical natural order, nor that of an extra-human world order, but through and through the free creation of men.
So the overall mood is individualistic, not spiritual. When spiritual is mentioned it is either slammed or put in an individualistic context. I think the book is some form of humanism, as the human is at the center.
why freedom is possible
9-1 "The Psyche-Physical Organization contributes nothing to the essential nature of thinking, but recedes whenever the activity of thinking makes its appearance."
This is a 1918 addition to chapter 9 but it may be the most significant statement in POF. The activity of thinking is capable of stilling the influence of the Psyche-Physical Organization making freedom possible.
I wouldn't call this some "spiritual" power as it is commonly used. But I would call it a non-material power, saying that thinking activity is a non-material process that has a non-material power. I suppose I would call it the power of thinking.
The beginning of chapter 9 tries to explain this phenomena, not as a "spiritual" power, but as arising out of human consciousness and possible because of the "self-subsistence" of thought.
Now here is an area worth further developing as the big question today is human consciousness and related topics.
No. Don't see what you mean, Bryn.
Do explain what "pared-down sylogistic presentation" means.
Is it the meanings of these words....
....in the context of Pof that you dont get? I cant see why they should be problematic. Or is it simply that they are words you have'nt heard before, in which case you referring to a dictionary defenition would save me a lot of time and effort.
Best wishes.
Bryn
No time, no effort - gee whiz!
www.begriffslogik.de
Good points Tom.
Individuality as the centrepoint, and an idividuality/God synthesis in Pof .But I do cringe at your phrase "conversion to Theosophy". You must have read the mans auto biography. Conversion? hardly. Also he describes at length the details and limits of so-called "Eastern" epistemology. Are you sugessting the man was telling tales re Theosophy? Or insincere in his many statements rejecting any connection with of flabby mysticism?
Gotta take issue with your "The activity of thinking is capable of stilling the influence of the Psyche-Physical Organization making freedom possible." Thats not how I understand the Steiner quote 9-1 you give above. Using your paraphrase of the quote,I would ammend it to:: "The activity of dying is capable etc etc..."
All the best
Bryn
psyche-physical organization
By selecting "reply" the new post appears under the post being replied too.
9-1 "The essence which is active in thinking has a twofold function: first, it represses the activity of the human organization; secondly, it steps into its place."
The theory of Determinism is based on the idea that we are controlled by the psyche-physical organization and cannot escape from it (psychological and physical determinants).
If anyone could develop a scientific experiment to prove this they would win a Nobel prize.
You see this as meaning something else? What?
As I see it, heavily influenced by RS,..
.. but still working on it: experientially myself:-The essence of thinking is will. Will destroys itself in the human organism and then what appears in the "space" left by its suicide we recognise as our potential to think.. When you say "the activity of thinking" I don't hear in that phrase the first bit-the will idestroying the so-called matter of the nerve. "The activity of thinking" suggests something I do myself, not the bit that has to "recede" ,IE that activity of "stilling", that "done-for-us" killing power of will. In contrast, the redemptive living second bit., the activity of human thinking is mobile. It doesn't still. Thats what I was getting at.
Is the experiment to examine the Steiner quote, or determinism?
Love
Bryn
PS @ BEGINNER. I don't get your reply. Whaaa?
When you add a hypothetical
When you add a hypothetical assumption about destroying nerve matter you enter yaya land like the example in 7-1 of atoms and have little hope of an answer.
It is always dangerous to bring spiritual speculations from Steiner's later work into POF. Everything you need to understand POF is within POF. It may be in another chapter or in a better translation or may appear in the future, but bringing in outside references is always risky as Steiner's later terms are changing as his concepts develop.
When I observe my thought I see that if I am emotionally upset but enter conceptual thinking to sort things out, the emotionalism steps back. Or the emotionalism will prevent the thinking to occur. They don't seem to be able to occupy the same space.
Ah yes, Yaya land!
Personally Tom I don't feel I have entered Yaya land. By your view above, I suppose I should know that I have entered "dangerous" Yaya territory and apply conceptual thinking immediately. Very theoretical advice imo. Unfortunately, as I say, I get no cue to do this. So Is PoF technique failing ? Is RS handing out mere theory in his Pof handbook? I dont think so. What I have describe as "nerve matter" is not a hypothetical speculation on my part but a legitimate understanding of Steiner's phrase "the Psyche-Physical organisation". I don't imagine he only discovered the occult function of the nervous system after he wrote PoF. You choose to disallow my understanding, calling it hypothetical but by doing so you also disallow Steiner's, out of which, as I see it, he wrote the statement 9-1 in the first place and which he chose to ramify later after PoF. in his "Spiritual Science". Of course you're free to atenuate the account and keep PoF sanitized from such complexities, but by doing so you set your own limits on the text and yours alone. But I repeat my question of earlier. Whats with this "conversion to Theosophy" phrase then?
Best regards
Bryn
I am able to observe my
I am able to observe my conceptual thinking and emotions and determine their relationship. Perhaps Steiner was able to have clairvoyant experience of nerve matter, but I'm not aware of anybody else who has.
He made a conscious decision not to include such stuff in POF. By making this decision, it would be a contradiction then if you needed his clairvoyant work to understand POF.
I defined conversion: "the process of changing from one system, method, or use to another"
Steiner could express his experience through any group or system he wanted. He was in the philosophy/science world of terms and topics, but then converted to the terms and topics of the theosophy world probably because they invited him to lecture and were an eager audience.
Philosophy/science had rejected him, otherwise it would have made little sense to turn to people who really didn't and don't matter much culturally.
Yup. Cool with that but of course there is a "but"
.. I think conversion has too religious/doctrinal a ring to it. Adjusting ones tone and nomenclature to accomodate a different audience is not a "conversion" in the sense I imagine anyone interested in philosophy of mind here would understand it. Besides, RS claims already to have evolved his own western understanding of the terms of the Theosophical canon by the time he accepted their invitation.
Any sense responded to sensitively is an experience of a response to nerve matter. A delicate appreciation of balance and movement brings an accompanying natural elevation to it. Its not uncommon. The use of the word clairvoyant is gratuitous imo.
All the best
Bryn
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