Looking for some sanity about pornography (Redemption of Eros Part III)

Submitted by Joel on Mon, 11/19/2007 - 9:05pm.
At my Social Science Section of Northern California meeting yesterday, there was a brief discussion of pornography, and like a lot of what anthroposophists casually discuss, there was more heat than light.  Similar to weakly thought out views of the Internet, the discussion of pornography was basically superficial.



Dear Friends,

At my Social Science Section of Northern California meeting yesterday, there was a brief discussion of pornography, and like a lot of what anthroposophists casually discuss, there was more heat than light.  Similar to weakly thought out views of the Internet, the discussion of pornography was basically superficial.  It reflected, in a way, a recent spate of articles in the more popular press, arguing many sides of the same question.  Having spent some time actually "thinking" about this phenomena of social life, I will offer below a few observations and conclusions.

The first thing that PoF students will find agreeable, is that many of the views people have are quite justified given the outlook or point of view in which they were born.  Each seeming side of what are called "the issues" has valid and important things to say.  At the same time, a thinking trained in goetheanism can perhaps add something to what is already being said.

Consider the "explosion" of pornography on the Internet.  It is huge, with pornography being perhaps the biggest money maker of all the commerce there.  Accurate figures are hard to find, and those who have an itch to scratch frequently use information whose main virture is how much it supports their point of view.

Without doubt what is called the "sex industry" (by some) exploits its "workers".  A great deal of content now comes from Eastern Europe and Asia, where such problems are more acute.  At the same time, "workers" in almost all industries are everywhere exploited world-wide, so this phenoman is more universal than peculiar to pornography.  It is also clear that pornography wouldn't exist if it didn't find a market.  We can't really understand what is going on without recognizing that there is a purchaser of pornography.  The exploiters of sex workers wouldn't do it if they weren't making money.

We also have to distinguish to a degree what is call erotica from pornography.  Suzy Bright defines erotica as an encounter (mostly mental) with the forbidden.  What is forbidden, by the way, is quite cultural in the rules being "violated", so that erotica in Asia is something quite different from erotica in the USA.  Many today (to turn the tables in another direction) cry out against the restraints on female dress by Muslim cultures.  They seem to argue that it is a woman's right to show a lot of thigh, belly and cleavage, at the same time wearing clothes so tight that little (if anything) is left to the imagination.  In my previous journal entries I mostly referred to this in the sense of "Fallen Eros".  We have lost touch with the underlying spiritual realities behind sexual "attraction".

There are also kinds of "pornography" (of children for example) that are criminal.  If we sum this up a bit (that is make a first stage picture), we might do this:

erotica - ordinary pornography - criminal pornography

The purchaser of each of these forms of material has a different inner relationship to what is being purchased.  We have now to take a brief look at the purchaser's psychology, for it is this "market" that drives the providers to provide.

Now lest someone think I am working out of some ivory tower here, the reader of this post should realize that during the 1970's, while needing work, I was employed on the periphery of the pornography industry in San Francisco.  I worked for the notorious Mitchell Brothers (who gave us "Behind the Green Door", the first porn film to make over a million dollars).  I managed movie theaters for them, and was occasionally at their offices where I met many "sex workers".  I also, when writing my book "the Way of the Fool", where I undertook a deep contemplation of Eros, I spent a lot of time examining Internet porn, both samplying the effects upon my own consciousness as well as trying to understand what might be learned by thinking about the phenomena in the sense of the different kinds of content offered.  I'll get to details (none x-rated, sorry) below.

I suppose this needs to be said right at the start.  Most pornography is for men.  Most men masturbate to this pornography.  Like any human activity, it can be abused and some even get addicted.  We did spend a lot of time during the so-called "sexual revolution" taking the view that masturbation was "natural", so we shouldn't be surprised if (in the USA in particular) erotica and ordinary pornography are a bit confused.  Erotica is often written (Anais Nin, for example on the art side of erotica, Suzy Bright and her friends more in the middle in between art-like erotica and ordinary pornography).  Most Internet pornography is visual (appealing to the senses rather than the mind, as is the case for written erotica).

It might be difficult to classify ordinary sense oriented pornography if it were not for the fact that the producers, knowing their customers, already do this for us in how they "organize" the various websites.  LIke almost everything else that is appearing during this time of the Fall of Western Civilization, excesses appear.  Some critics have focused on these excesses, and while their particular biases weaken their arguments, they do point to something that has to be noticed: A lot of pornography takes the shape such that the man is visualized as dominant over the woman, with the woman submissive, passive and slavish to the point of doing whatever the man wants.  Sexual crimes (rape and so forth), for those who study that phenomena, are often more about power than about sex.   These various facts can give us another picture:

communion with or dominion over  (in the idea of communion with I am refering to those erotic and sensual encounters in the real world where both participants are equal and their love making mutual).  In pornography, there is no partner, the partner is imagined, and we have to be careful with assuming what is the nature of the imagination of the partner during masturbation.  Certain kinds of pornography leave little question here, in that obviously what is imagined has a great deal of dominance in it, sometimes even to the point of imagining criminal abuse.

When we add to our considerations the fact of the role of the imagination we encounter a whole other dimension, for we have gotten deeper into the psychology of the purchaser (the end user of pornography - which mainly means the sexual psychology of men).  We should also notice that the simulation of men through advertising, and other "accepted" visual media (magazines and films) has become more and more explicitly pornographic (soft porn) since the sexual revolution, such that as Fallen Eros has increased during the Fall of Western Civilization, a kind of pre-condition in the stimulation of the imaginative psychology of men accompanied these changes.  Into this kind of sexually stimulated and unsatisfied inner (soul) life of men has poured Internet pornography.

For those interested in Goetheanism, what this discussion has tried to do is to not let us abstract Internet pornography out of its "context".  Any phenomena abstracted out of its context can rarely be understood.

Let us now assume that a certain degree of sanity exists in men's sexual psychology, and that masturbation is "natural" in a sense (the driver according to some is the physiology of the testicles, which need to be discharged periodically otherwise a medical/psychological dysfunction can arise - witness the strange consequences of celibacy that often occurs among monks and priests).

From here we can ask the question: Is there anything about Internet pornography that can teach us truths about men's sexual psychology?  We are stepping past the aberations (those phenomena at the extremes of the "bell curve" so to speak), and looking at the ordinary impulse to be stimultated sexually to orgasm through pornography (something commonly used in cases of medical efforts to deal with difficulties in marriages arising from an inability of the partners to conceive).  Above we noted that the produces helped us understand something by the fact that they "organized" their websites along certain well understood "interests". (breasts, lingerie and so forth).

Since the producers have to provide a product that satisfies, even more significant is the postures the sex workers are encouraged to take.  There are quite common "themes", whether we go back into the former black and white erotic visual arts of photography, to the more modern (and excessively explicit) visual themes of today. Clearly it should be recognized that what was originally outrageous when Playboy magazine was first being published in 1955 is not the same as the films and other media offered today.  This "degeneration" of a kind of visual art in the representation of the female form has accompanied a kind of cultural-wide desensitization of both our senses and of the imagination.  One can tear one's hair out here, or one can seek greater objectivity and understanding of the "process", if we are to find a way to healthy and renewed: UnFallen Eros.

In my book "the Way of the Fool" I concluded that what was being offered in various media to men for the stimulation of their sexual apetites involved a "displacement" of something otherwise healthy.  Overstimulated by their culture, and underloved by life (the I in our time is frequently forced to stand on its own) we can find in not only pornography, but also in sexual chat rooms, prostitution and strip joints, a response to something men might well want in a partner who was willing to understand them as a sexual person.

Let me say this once more.  Cultural phenomena as regards human sexuality are not only a mirror of unhealthy impulses, but of healthy ones as well.  A dear friend of  mine (a woman and a native American) once said that women should be "whorish" in bed.  That if they took a selfless attitude toward their "man", they would recognize that a man's sexual apetites are part of his being, and necessary and natural (otherwise no babies, no bodies in which to incarnate in, no stream of physical inheritance etc.). 

If we make a list of general themes in pornography and other sexually explicit media, what can we find that might be representative of natural and healthy sexual hungers in men, that a women might find useful to want to selflessly satisfy in a partner?  Oddly enough, as noted in my previous discussion of Eros (part II), if we think about the five sense we find all that we need to discover.

Men, who according to Steiner are more "incarnate" - more earthly - than women, live more strongly in their senses in a kind of less sensitive way than women.  So visual pornography primarily seeks to satisfy the need to "see" - the sense of vision.  This dominance of the sense of vision is also an aspect of modern life in general that as deeper significance but that is another theme altogether.  Women often dress provacatively, and men enjoy not only the form of dress, but also the act of dressing and undressing (thus "strip" clubs).  Pornography is full of this kind of imagery - women in various stages of dress and undress.

The sense of touch is covered in the emergence of "lap dancing" which actually was begun by the Mitchell Brothers (in the USA in any event).  Smell is there as well.  Visual pornography offers neither of these other two senses, so perhaps this explains why it tries to move in the direction of an excess of the explicitly visual themes.  Film pornography gives us sound, so the sense of hearing is found there, as well as in Internet chat rooms (that are sound oriented, not just typed).  Typed stimulation is often pornography seeking the erotic, as is some of the speech that can be found in film.

Men tend to like earthly speech and the use of terms with a more (coarse according to some) explicit nature.  I'll leave the actual wording to the readers imagination. So we have the sense of sight, hearing, smell, touch, and the last, taste, which while it cannot be satisfied by visual pornography, is frequently explicitly depicted in visual pornography. In film the whole is often woven into a playlet.  Various kinds of themes are offered, from situations where the man is more passive, to situations where the sex is more mutual (and oddly enough occasionally loving) to that where dominance (and unrecognized anger) is present.

One of the more unusual pornographic films made in the 1970's was made by a woman.  She interviewed a very large group of men and women who were not sex workers, but which she developed a feeling for, and then paired into five pairs.  She created a situation where the room used was covered by two cameras, left running on their own (no crew was present).  Candle light and wine was provided, and each couple did not meet each other until they walked into the room.  They understood that each was commited to making love to the other, but everything else was left to them to define.  It was unusually erotic, in large part because the encounter was quite real.  This was a time of casual sex in any event, but the awkwardness was natural, as was the discovery of each others passions and desires.

In any event, my studies led me to realizing that Internet pornography, and other existing explicitly sexual media, could (if we got our antipathies and sympathies out of the way) reveal something about the natural hungers of men toward women that very much needs to become part of the necessary dialogs by which we can in the future give birth to UnFallen (or the Redemption of) Eros. 

Yes, there are excesses everywhere (in everything - witness the number of things that are now thought of as addictions.  At the same time, once we enter into excesses we have to go deeper into the problems of the threefold double-complex, for pornography and these kinds of problems are not really causally related.  The object of an addiction is not necessarily the cause of the addiction, but these problems are for another time.  Removing the stimulation to addiction, (witness the failure to stop alcoholism by making alcohol illegal, a problem now socially destructive when applied to drugs) does not solve the problem.  In a similar vein, the difficult issues with respect to Internet pornography require a much deeper understanding if our object is a healthy social life built out of healthy individuals.

joel

 

 

 

 

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the scorn of porn

Thanks for writing about pornography in a manner that lets it remain complicated and mysterious.

There was a time in America when seeing a woman's ankle caused as much blood to rush to the penis of the average man as nowadays seeing her g-string might. To assume that the mental pictures triggered by the woman's ankle are any different than the mental pictures (and their consequences) triggered by her g-string is to let the chaos of the last 60 years cloud the basic point of PoF.

Joel, thank you for sharing just the tip of your investigations into this subject. If only the average anthroposophist felt comfortable doing phenomenology of pornography. It will be a wonderful sign of health in the movement when such a research project is as natural as the study of birds or threefolding. gulp

The assault on the imagination.

Hi Joel,

Thanks for your research and insights. I was comissioned many years back to do a book on sex magic. I was arrogant anough then to think I could somehow sanitize/redeem the subject by means of my (self-perceived) purity of heart! In the end I had to abandon the project.

Porn is here to stay, and as you say, there is no being squeemish about the details. But  my evaluation of it is that it is interesting not so much for what it reveals about exagerated male sexuality  (plenty) but how it throws light on the use of imagination.

One of the few public areas in which "mere" imagination is spoken of as tangibly real, is in typical sexual phantasy discussions/articles. In such arenas it is openly  acknowledged that the merely inner, mental image-making faculty has power to create spectacular physical events-orgasms. But rarely or never do people go on to notice the faculty of imagining in itself. It seems socially accepted that the high point of the function of imagination is to produce an orgasm.

I'm sure this is how the adversaries intend it too. Recently I spent some time at a home whose owner has multi-channel TV. I don't have TV and soon began watching til late at night. I find screens including this one, addictive. After a few days I noticed that something was missing in  me. Normally I have a kind of vague clairvoyant cloud, undefined, but accessible and friendly hovering above and in front of me.Screen watching, I had first been induced to forget it, and when I "looked for" it I found it was full of gestures of a sexual and cruel kind. So I am going back to being a bit more cautious about the screens and what they can actually achieve in me.

The future I regret, is screen shaped, and porn is just one aspect of the numbing powers being hurled at us.For some I'm sure images of football can bring on the same limitation.

It's not surprising really when the universal default view on cognition is that the world is our mental picture.

Thanks again for your research and explicitness.

Love

Bryn

 

Clairvoyance and Sexual Energy

I have a suspicion (a hypothesis, I guess you could say) that clairvoyant success results from channeling sexual energies into different, well, channels.

The problem is that you have to know how to channel it...

What did the Borg say? 

 "Resistance is futile."

(I think they said that..anyway, I'm sure you get my drift.)

See Max Heindel's book Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception - he there talks explicitly about several things that Steiner would not.

touching

I would like to make a very small contribution to Joel’s mention above of the senses in men’s sexual hungers. What I notice is this:

Setting aside the disinterest with which I look at much of my surroundings, there is a difference between the interest with which I look at a painting (I paint a lot) and the interest with which I look at a woman I find attractive (and I confess to doing a lot of looking). Unlike in the former situation, when I look at an appealing woman (whether she is clothed or nude, live or in a photo), I am not merely looking, I am touching, with my eyes. This is strong and clearly observable, and probably noticeable for most other men. (A small amount of research on my part suggests that some or most women may not touch with their eyes to the same extent.) In looking, I run the hands of my eyes over the face, lips, and...all the other curves of the body. I think this is interesting because of the apparent nature of touch. Anthro authors have certainly discussed this and it seems to jibe. Touch gives one a sense of something other, other than one’s own body-as-self, a sense of something numinous, of unknown being. Yet it gives one a sensation merely of one’s self, i.e. one’s own bodily boundary, one’s skin. So I find that pleasurable touching–including the touching that my eyes do–gives me a sensation that conveys the fairly illusory, but enhanced, conviction that I exist, while also giving a sense that I am in contact with...almost, a holy reality, if I try to name it. It's fairly addictive, yeah. And it is why I desire to look at many more women than I can actually touch with my hands.

I do not blame myself or anyone else for enjoying sexual pleasures. I lean toward thinking, however, that it may not be a very good use of my attention.

respects

gene

from necks to trees

Gene,

I love the phenomenology you paint for us here. Sexual touching can have that quality that is so bizarre: we feel at once that our yearning to connect is being met, yet the touch is the feel of our own body. We yearn to be taken by the other (and to simultaneously take the other). We yearn for some kind of exchange or communication or communion. And we get something, don't we? Often we get something that blows our minds....Other times we get something mediocre or awkward. But no matter how it turns out, at first we long for a very specific kind of satisfaction. And yet the touch is our own, provided by the other.

I am thinking right now about how each "other" gives me my own touch in a unique manner. Even though it is always myself that I am feeling, I still notice that only Kulu could have brushed my arm that way and only Soriana could have touched me that way. And when Helen Keller received a set of hands in her own, the talking took place only through her perception of her own body and yet, somehow, her body- the very touch- implicitly carried across the individuality of who spoke in her hands. I bet that at times the touch of the person said more than the words shaped upon the fingers.

But look how I so subtly left sexual touch for touch that communicates. Sexual touch can communicate but often does not; it stimulates. This is what you said so well. Sexual touch can be narrowly focused on the task of simply letting me feel better and bettER and beTTER and BETTER! And then asleep...or something.

But I wonder what's happening when we look at a beautiful painting. It shows us a fall day and we find ourselves touching those leafs and feeling that autumn wind. Unlike the communications of language, we receive no message from the image yet we do sense a communion and a meaningful one at that.

I imagine a very smart and well cultured snob examining a painting. He looks at it and is able to make a myriad of qualitative distinctions, drawing our attention to subtle shadings and how the eye is taking it all in at once. And yet as we watch him communicate we can get the sense that the more he talks the better and bettER and beTTER and BETTER!!! he is feeling. Somehow he is getting off on his experience (both the seeing and the saying, I imagine) and yet still receiving much more than just the "getting off".

This is what might make sex such a tricky thing. While we are feeling only our own body we are often receiving the wider picture (or communication)at the same time. The way I might touch a woman's shoulder with my eyes as she walks by me is perhaps very similar to how my eyes touch the bark of the tree I see after she passes. The difference, in my opinion, is that my conditioning hasn't associated the touch of the tree's bark with my yearning for salvation. Her neck, however, implied something about my lack of wholeness...that wasn't said quite right...but I'm sure thankful you even got me that close, gene....thanks for thinking out loud on this with me....

gulp

Looking and devouring.

Eros is so powerful and so susceptable to masking.

I have to say that my experience of seeing in the erotic context goes beyond sight as touching, and becomes sight as devouring; eating. tasting, even to metabolising.  Note folks: when I say this I don't offer it as a confession, but simply because no one here knows me as the normal guy I am, I have to add defensively  that I am talking feelings here and have never wanted to actually eat anyone!!

Anyway for sure, there is this metabolic aspect to erotic seeing.

Its a double edged thing eroticism.To a society of souls desensitised to much that is subtle, eroticism has a genuine power to awaken. Sexual phantasy and the compelling sensation of digestive vision are potential channels to the spirit so must be weakened by the adversaries, and are. The subject itself is used as a door to shut off further understanding. A certain amount is released, nay paraded, and this is used to clog up the channels contaminating them for further insight. One is left agitated as if on the edge of a great but unknowable mystery; and of course that is the intention. One hovers waiting for ones further supply which of course never arrives. It is indeed a struggle to understand the erotic. I am in awe of it and sense it as "dangerous" in some way.

I think the consciousness soul lusts for itself, and has to, taking its inspiration from the sight of the body with all its wild longings. This in my opinion is the broader pattern of eroticism and the true passion of thinking. I can't imagine ever knowing this as a younger man though, and certainly can't imagine saying it to a younger man!

Love

Bryn