Conciliation Meeting with the GAS Executive Council and Expelled Members Fails

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Embezzlement charges against General Anthroposophical Society executive council without substance - “Living the Christmas Conference” appeals court decision.



DORNACH (NNA) - Swiss prosecutors have dropped their investigation of the executive council of the General Anthroposophical Society (GAS) on charges of misappropriation of funds as being without substance.

The offices of council members at the Goetheanum were raided by police last March and documents and computers removed as the result of complaints in July 2006 by the group “Living the Christmas Conference”.

State prosecutors have now cleared the executive council of having wrongly used GAS funds to cover the costs associated with the so-called constitution process to determine and clarify the legal basis of the society.

The group claimed that the members of the GAS executive council should be held personally liable for costs of over 800,000 Swiss francs arising from legal action taken by “Living the Christmas Conference” with regard to the dispute over the constitution issue.

Prosecutors found that the executive council had acted “in accordance with the properly formed will of the majority of members of the General Anthroposophical Society in having paid the costs of the constitution process from the assets of the General Anthroposophical Society.”

In a separate development, the group “Living the Christmas Conference” has decided to appeal the ruling by the Dorneck-Thierstein district court rejecting the group’s challenge of the legitimacy of the resolutions adopted at the extraordinary general meeting of the General Anthroposophical Society in April 2006. One of the issues at the meeting was the court costs associated with the constitution process.

The Dorneck-Thierstein district court also still has to hear separate cases related to the expulsion of the “Living the Christmas Conference” members earlier this year after a conciliation meeting with the GAS executive council, requested by the group before the hearing, did not produce any result.

Goetheanum spokesman Wolfgang Held told NNA that, apart from anything else, the expulsions could not be negotiated on the basis proposed by the group because they were decided in a resolution adopted by the GAS annual general meeting which could not simply be reversed by the executive council.


Date: 18 October 2007

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Internet Society Group

The Statutes of the Anthoposophical Society:

"Members may join together in groups on any basis of locality or subject."

I wonder if their would be any value in forming an internet anthroposophical society group based on The Philosophy of Freedom?

Internet Anthroposophical Group

This is an interesting idea Tom, but I wonder how one would go about it?  As membership is based primarily on which country you are from (although I understand some members join directly through Dornach), I wonder how this would work?  Also, would it interfere with our free expression of ideas here? 

Cheers,
Patri

 

 

Branch For Web Communities


I haven't thought much about this much except for today. Anyone can start a special interest group and seek official recognition from the Society. This would be about renewing the Society from within.

Web communities are fast developing as part of todays social life. Branches are for the purpose of shouldering responsibility for the life of the Anthroposophical Society within their area. Why couldn't that area be web communities? Web communities are an important part of the life of youth today and most are already involved with web communities.

American Society Info
TYPES OF GROUPS AND BRANCHES:
There is no requirement that work arising out of anthroposophy such as schools, colleges or clinics, become "officially" connected with the Anthroposophical Society, or with a local Branch of the Society. This means that the independent groups and organizations which make up our anthroposophical "communities" work very hard to stay connected with one another - and with the wisdom of anthroposophy. Here are some general descriptions of the types of groups you will find:

TYPES OF RECOGNIZED GROUPS:

* Regional Councils
* Branch
* Interest or Subject Group
* Study Group

Any group with seven or more members of the Anthroposophical Society in America can request recognition by the national Society. Types of Recognized Groups may include: Study Groups, Performing Groups or Subject or Interest Groups. Requesting formal recognition usually occurs when a group finds itself ready, willing and able to shoulder responsibility for the life of the Anthroposophical Society within their area - and wish to link their efforts with those of the national and international Societies.

ABOUT BRANCHES:
There are more than 70 recognized branches of the Anthroposophical Society in America. Branches are usually a larger grouping serving individual members and groups. Frequently, Branches play a coordinating role for a variety of independently operating activities which may include several study groups, performing groups or subject/interest groups.

ABOUT "INFORMAL" GROUPS:
Informal Groups have not requested formal recognition by the national Society for their activities. In many instances, their activities are the same as those who have requested formal recognition: study, performance, or research in a specific field of interest. Frequently study groups in Waldorf School communities are "anthroposophical" study groups or interest groups, but no formal recognition has been requested.

INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS:
Waldorf Schools, teacher training colleges, medical clinics, Camphill villages, Biodynamic farms or gardens, bookstores and other initiatives arising out of anthroposophy are independently organized and administered. In the case of Waldorf Schools, Biodynamic agriculture and Camphill villages, there may be membership requirements for schools, farms or communities to belong to their respective associations. Some of these groups may be "officially" recognized by the Society.

....would it interfere with

....would it interfere with our free expression of ideas here?

There is nothing in the principles of the Anthroposophical Society that support oppression, only certain individuals in leadership positions. This would be part of the challenge.

Political Maneuver by GAS

Goetheanum spokesman Wolfgang Held told NNA that, apart from anything else, the expulsions could not be negotiated on the basis proposed by the group because they were decided in a resolution adopted by the GAS annual general meeting which could not simply be reversed by the executive council.

The executive council had their expulsion of 44 society members approved at the GAS annual general meeting which to my understanding is attended by a small group of loyal locals, many of which are employed at the Goetheanum run by the council, who rubber stamp anything the council does. Now the council uses this as the basis for saying they can't negotiate the expulsions with the expelled members.

This sounds like the kind of political maneuver we see regularly in political institutions. Couldn't they negotiate a resolution and then have it rubber stamped at the next GAS annual general meeting?

Sad Story

This is a very sad story that seems will still be with us through this year also.  Hopefully lessons will be learned for those on all sides of this issue.  Could some good come of this?

Best regards,
Patri

 

POF Society

I think we already have an 'internet POF society group'.  The 'members' know who they are.  No formal roster is needed.  More will 'join' in the future.

Informal but active

 

I feel in tune with Jay here. What would be different about our activity if a society group were to be formed?

 

Renewal

By being a part of the Society you have immediately renewed it as you now are the society.

It is so.

 

Tom wrote: By being a part of the Society you have immediately renewed it as you now are the society.

As I am a member of the society, it is so!  Am I missing something?

 

Organization potential

I am referring to organization potential. Considering the respect and popularity of Rudolf Steiner around the world the Anthroposophical Society growth can't remain stagnant or decline as it has for maybe two generations without individuals working within it to suppress it.

What would happen if rather than being a rubber stamp event for the executive council with few attending the general annual meeting was attended by hundreds of people interested in moving the society forward?

Great Idea

This is something I would be interested in if it were done in a constructive manner, respecting everyone at the Goetheanum, even though we may not agree sometimes with their policies.

Mostly, these annual meetings are just a rite with no power (spiritual power), so it would be interesting to see hundreds of people show up who do not usually attend these kinds of meetings, with hope of really helping the GAS move forward in the world in an all-embracing way that would attract others looking for spiritual direction.

 

Cheers,
Patri

 

 

Philosophy of Freedom generation

Having a voice in the annual general meeting is just one small way. It is not hard to imagine the end of the current Society with the next generation. They are a scientific minded generation with little interest in theosophy and gurus. I think they may be the Philosophy of Freedom generation.

They are not interested in a traditional top down institutions like the societies current operation. But they would and are already embracing the elements of anthroposophical community in their own social structures as Steiner had intended for the society.

Suppression

 

Tom you wrote: Considering the respect and popularity of Rudolf Steiner around the world the Anthroposophical Society growth can't remain stagnant or decline as it has for maybe two generations without individuals working within it to suppress it.

This is a highly charged accusation, Tom. Do you mean deliberate activity within the GAS, or unconscious ineffectiveness? Could you offer some evidence or reasoning behind this statement?

 

Good or suppressive leadership?

Look at the membership numbers and age of the membership. Unless you hold your head under the sand you will recognize a declining institution. My experience online tells me there remains world wide interest in Steiner but declining interest in the Society as his representative.

Highly charged accusation? This is common knowledge as far as I can tell. Nothing new here. You see it in all old traditional institutions. POF explains it in great detail. I have an American perspective so we may feel more uncomfortable with traditional institutions than a European may feel.

Our local Society recently had to import new leaders from out of the local area to find someone old enough and traditional enough to help fight off those with new ideas. The membership has no voice in the selection of leaders. The old guard began the year by discussing how computers are "inherently" evil. This quickly drove off the new people who attended.

The society has drawn those who support authoritarian community and driven away those who seek anthroposophical community. That is why the society numbers in the thousands rather then the millions Steiner predicted. Anthroposophical community would gain great support if the society offered it.

But this would mean a great loss of power for all those self appointed leaders in the society. Are the egos that feel the society must be lead by them (local, national, and global) and be protected from the bad judgment of the members doing good or being suppressive? Great question.

Anthroposophical community is built out of the good judgment of the members. It is bottom up rather than top down.

The leadership in the society should be selected by the members according to Steiner's original and current statutes. Are those self-appointed society leaders who withhold choice from the members suppressive?

POF 9-11 There are many who will say that the concept of the free man which I have here developed is a chimera nowhere to be found in practice; we have to do with actual human beings, from whom we can only hope for morality if they obey some moral law, that is, if they regard their moral task as a duty and do not freely follow their inclinations and loves. I do not doubt this at all. Only a blind man could do so. But if this is to be the final conclusion, then away with all this hypocrisy about morality! Let us then simply say that human nature must be driven to its actions as long as it is not free.

 

suppression redux

Dear John,

I'm sure Tom has his own views on this, but I'd like to throw mine in the mix.

I've written extensively on these problems for years.  Whether it is the failure to take up The Philosophy of Spiritual Activity, which leads one to not understanding the problem of knowledge; or the failure to take up the Reverse Cultus, which disables our group activity and turns it into Steiner worship; or the slow intellectualization of the Cosmic Michaelic Intelligence over the course of the 20th Century (no living thought, its all dead when intellectualized).

There also exists the failure of the Christian Community to keep alive Rittlemeyer's warning about the danger the CC represents (discussed in Lecture VI of Awakening To Communty) socially to the Anthroposophical Society.  Added to this is the existence of the Circle (sometimes called the Youth Circle), which operates mostly below the radar, and represents an essentially secret society power group behind the scenes that often sees to it that its members mostly rise to positions of institutional authority.

There is the huge general failure in America to actually look at American Culture as against worship of Old World culture.  The list of long as to what is not thought about in that regard.  The Society frequently focuses on the Past (all spirit recollection, little spirit mindfulness and/or spirit vision) to the exclusion of everything else.  This is getting a bit better, but when something like that has happened for a very long time, there are consquences that can't be easily overcome.

At present the Vorstand is so spiritually lame that they have taken into their midst someone who is basically a Russian Mystic (not a spiritual scientist), and knows nothing of The Philosophy, Goetheanism or the Consciousness Soul, yet in being supported by a cult of personality worship and is actually an archetypal example of the worst that can happen when the Cosmic Michaelic Intelligence is intellectualized.

Only a complete fool would imagine that the double-complex has not been actively pushed by the ahrimanic and luciferic hierarchies to disable Anthroposophy all these many years (they can make people stupid in the ways that allows all the above to happen).  Ahriman's incarnation (happening now) is completely masked as a result - almost no one in the Society is even looking, much less able to penetrate the fog of assumptions (with clear pure thinking) which hides it from view.

No doubt Steiner's main opponents (in the Occult Brotherhoods) have seized every opportunity to penetrate the Vostand and encourage from their own initiate insights all our worst tendencies.  All groups are most vulnerable from within, so it is really unnecessary to attack from the outside, when weaknesses can be discovered and played upon.  I was given names of Vorstand members some years ago, which being rumors don't bear repeating, but the source was a clairvoyant.

Steiner's lectures offended many occult power groups (of different degrees of capability) because he blew the doors off all the secrets.  They still want this material hidden from humanity, and so encourage anthroposophists in all kinds of ways to be weak and ineffectual.

The fact is that membership is stagnent, and few youth are attracted, while the old guard is dying out.  We are deeply lost, and asleep as to this condition.  We worship Steiner and the Past, and revere the Chrsitmas Conference (which actually failed).  What guardian angel is going to encourage someone to join such a group?

joel

Concerning the Renewal of Anthroposophy: Rediscovering the true nature of the New Mysteries

http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/concerning.html

The Mystery of Macro and Micro Evil: the realtionship of the Shadow (the double-complex) to the American Soul

http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/MysteryShadow.html

American Culture: four archetypal personalities   http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/fourarchetypalpersonalities.html

Outrageous Genius: discovering the in-the-present Incarnation of Ahriman in America through the signs of the times

http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/outrageousgenius.html

 

Flooded

 

Thank you both for giving more detail to the suppression line. Forgive my seeming ignorance of some of the issues that you have outlined, Joel. I would like to respond more fully and describe my own perspective. A longer post will hopefully come in the next hectic day or so. I have read only some of Joel's flood of background references, and I want to complete the whole picture.

My use of the word accusation was deliberate as individuals are implicated in the use of such terms as suppression and I wished to know what hard evidence of individual actions you are both bringing forward. So far you have spoken out of - what sounds to me as - inferences based on general phenomena. I have no quibble with the phenomena, and I am highly interested in your interpretations. If I am getting the wrong end of the stick, I am really keen to be put straight.

Study of PoF is bound to lead to creative action, and GAS offers considerable scope. More to follow...

 

Statute Violation

So far you have spoken out of - what sounds to me as - inferences based
on general phenomena.

The Renewal of the Anthroposophical Society home page gives the society statute that gives members the right to select their own national, branch, and group leaders. Many current society leaders have revoked this membership right in violation of the principles and statutes of the society itself  thus prepetrating their own hold on power. I would call this a concrete example of a suppressive action of certain leaders.

To identify them you merely have to ask how the leaders in a particular society group attained their position.

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Esoteric Intent

Joel has recently posted some comments referring to the Circle. I cannot attempt to authoritatively put the record straight, only to represent what has come to my personal awareness and experience as a member of the Circle. In recent years I have seen internet discussion of the Circle so I am not setting a precedent by writing here. I will start from what Joel has written at http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/concerning.html about the beginnings.
 
The first micro social consequence, with which we must concern ourselves, is the confusion concerning their real significance by a certain group which calls itself in America: The Circle (it has some other names elsewhere, such as the Youth Circle and so forth).    The history here is fairly simple, since it was not at all intended to produce the grave consequences that were later to arise.  A small group, that had received the Lectures to Youth, wanted to work together in service to the spiritual world and asked Steiner for verses and/or meditations in support of their work, which he then gave.  This is certainly a fine motive, and had the social implications of the failures regarding the Philosophy and the Reverse Cultus been understood, there would have been no problem.
The group took the course that it would develop itself (or grow) only when someone who was known to its members expressed in some way a similar desire to work with the spiritual world.  They might then, having in this way identified themselves, be invited to join the work of the Circle.  The Circle would not otherwise have a public face, and not make itself open to volunteers.  Its meetings would not be advertised in anthroposophical publications, large or small, and its membership would be essentially private in support of the deep group work which was sought.
 
It is important to state the reason why the Circle is generally a silent group. Steiner indicated early on that the impulse of the group would suffer profoundly if it worked out in the open. So the group has remained silent ever since at Steiner’s behest. The esoteric material given to the Circle is currently published only in German. 
 
Joel, your history quoted above omits the fact that Steiner instructed the group to maintain a silent profile. It was not a choice made by the group. I do not fully understand why Rudolf Steiner felt it necessary to instruct the group to remain hidden at the time when he was working on the formation of GAS in 1923. The current situation where the existence of the Circle is public knowledge remains ambiguous and uncomfortable. 
 
Earlier on this thread Joel wrote:
… the Circle (sometimes called the Youth Circle), which operates mostly below the radar, and represents an essentially secret society power group behind the scenes that often sees to it that its members mostly rise to positions of institutional authority.
 
The suggestion is that Circle members work together as an invisible political force in the GAS and national societies. I know of no evidence of any power wielding in society decisions. There is no formal infrastructure to the Circle, which lives through personal contact and occasional local meetings where the esoteric lessons given to the founders by Steiner are studied. There is no exoteric policy within the group, only the commitment to individually sustain the individual esoteric practise given by Steiner. 
 
It is clear that Circle members are active in the Society. There is no doubt that active society membership is one way that many Circle members commit themselves to the anthroposophical movement. As far as I know members act as individuals in the societies. If a group that comes together around a single esoteric impulse appears to speak outwardly in chorus, this is not altogether surprising.  However, that does not demonstrate that members plan political strategies beforehand. The suggestion that Circle members work together behind the scenes as manipulators of position and power entirely contradicts what the Circle actually represents.  
 
I acknowledge that I have no insight into Joel’s inquiries. He may be in possession of facts unknown to me, but I would be profoundly saddened if the purely esoteric work in the Circle has been so completely distorted from its founders’ intentions.
 
 

Esoteric Intent and the Circle

Dear John Ralph,

Thank you for your reply.  I find it fascinating that Steiner would set up a group and ask them to remain secret, for this contradicts almost everything he said and did with Anthroposophy.  I could much more easily believe this is what people are told today, and that this is a fiction created sometime in the Circle's past, by unknown individuals for unknown reasons.

Or, it could be a misinterpretation of something he said, which misinterpretation then becomes part of the culture of this group (for example, Steiner may only have said that the esoteric mantrams had to be held close in the same fashion that were later how the First Class Mantrams were to be held). 

Now anyone familiar with German social life at that time, and also the general activities of many members at that time, will be aware of much jealousy that existed.  Groups and individuals often competed for pride of place and out of other more or less normal human passions and excesses (witness what happen to the Vorstand after Steiner crossed over - who was to run the Class, who was to own the books - one writer likened this activity to the gambling the Roman centurions had done over Christ's cloak - only in the Society people fought over who could claim some part of the mantle of Steiner's authority).

In any event the Circle as a present day institution is not bound (in fact never was bound) to follow Steiner blindly here.  The Class mantrams are open to all to know, why not the Circle's?  What justification can there be for withholding this material given what is done now with the Class lessons?

Consider something you didn't describe, which is how someone becomes a member.  Is it still by invitation only?  Who decides who can join?  How is this decided?  If it can be decided, then there must be some criteria, must there not?

  What is this criteria?

Now I did not intend to say, although my writing may have been less precise on this question, that there was a secret cabal deciding things on its own.  At the same time, anyone observant of human social life knows that when a large group has inside it any kind of more private group, this more private group will form a kind of club-like social group - identifying itself as "special" because of its work.  Such individuals will feel closer to each other (consider what Steiner said in Awakening to Community about the Cultus of the Christian Community and the need for a reverse cultus for the Society). 

If the group was formed before the burning of the Goetheanum this is significant, because it is only after the burning that Steiner discusses how rites influence social fellow-feeling.  If the Circle is practicing a unique rite, will its members not become closer and feel with each other greater degrees of trust?  Clearly the Circle was formed before the Class Lessons were given, and perhaps that is why Steiner wanted the Circle mantrams to be kept secret, just as he sought to do with the Class Lessons.

In any event, my basic criticism remains the same.  It was based in part as an aspect of my observations of the social life of the Society, where phenomena were present that strongly suggested private (and not transparent) in-group processes were very much active.  The Circle is probably not the only in-group, but this does not mean that in casual conversation, when those in the Circle who are part of institutional power groups (Vorstands and Councils) decide who to add, that often this choice is determined by the fact that the people being selected are already part of their in-group.  You don't have to be an anthroposophist to understand these social dynamics.  In-groups naturally gravitate toward increasing their social power (after all, they are "special").

In any event, the following is quite true for the 21st Century.  First: the Circle must release its mantrams to not only the Society, but also to the general public.  Second: all the members of the Circle must identify themselves as members of the Circle, and especially any who are holders of institutional responsibility. 

The reasons for this are quite plain as well.  Modern social life in any truly free spiritual society cannot tolerate private in-groups regardless of how justified they may seek to hold themselves based upon an alleged command by the now dead founder.  Everything must be transparent, nothing can be hidden.

Steiner put his life at risk in large part because he took the seals off of almost all the secrets held dear by Occult Brotherhoods who used these secrets to maintain earthly temporal power.  No such impulse can exist in the Society, without us turning out to be complete hypocrits.

Here is a test for you John.  Go to your fellows and try to convince them to institute the above changes.  You don't even have to believe this necessary.  You are just probing the ground, so to speak, and seeing just what lives there.  Is it a rock with a bunch of ugly viscious anti-social slugs underneath, or is it a group with the ability to see that in the Society, at the present time, private (secret-like) associations do more harm than good.  The Circle needs to step into the light of day, and out of the shadows.

joel

 

out from under

Opening comment: I have no way of saying anything real about the true nature of The Circle. The following comments are more oriented towards nature of such talk as such. If what I say sounds like I am arguing against specific claims that ahve been made about the nature of The Circle, this is due to my weaknesses as a writer and not the intention of this post.

If somebody came to this website and found out that it allowed people to contact each other privately, he or she might suggest that this function is inherently inappropriate, that if people are forming "sub groups" this means that they will trying to gain power as a sub group and, therefore, work against the health of the greater whole. This person could say that a healthy website would never be composed of people who feel a need to converse privately.

No doubt sub-grouping can be pathological. If The Circle operates in an unhealthy manner, then obviously, it's a wonderful example of this. But sub-grouping can be a wonderful and very healthy activity, especially if it can be private.

I think I see why people say they can't imagine Steiner suggesting a group remain quiet and private, but I don't have this problem. I can easily imagine contexts in which Steiner would suggest a group remain private. It would be strange to me if he suggested that within the society there should be an invisible operating body that has explict access to control and policy. But my hunch is that if he recommended silence it would have been in a healthy spirit.

If Joel and gulp have been privately emailing about issues related to various members of this website or issues related to how it is run, I think that is fine. If other people feel that gulp and Joel have formed a private group that is trying to have unfair influence upon the site, they can state this and ask. Joel and gulp may decide to say, "hey, but out. We like each other and find it helpful to think things through on certain issues. We enjoy the shape our communication can take when we talk one on one, but that doesn't meean that we are against the rest of you. In fact when we make suggestions about website policy, it should not matter how many private emails we exchanged on the topic by ourselves."

If the rest of the website got all bent out of shape and demanded that we share our private emails under the banner of transparency and health, we would probably assume that this reaction was a neurotic symptom of something already unhealthy in the community as a whole, and we might privately email about what this means to us.

My point is not that anything you say about the Circle is wrong; perhaps it is a gross group that is a symptom of pernicious and would do well to expose itself to the light of day. At this point I have no empirical reason to have much of an opinion about who, what, where and how The Circle functions. But I can only imagine that The Circle is a huge cause of concern to the degree that other MUCH HUGER causes of concern within the Anthro Society are not being addressed. If it is having an influence on the Society, I think a relatively healthy society would be able to point to it.

In our Congress we know there is all kinds of insidious subgrouping taking place. Issuing a decree that bans subgrouping or damands that they expose themselves seems unrealistic and counter-productive to me. I'm sure that some of the good that Congress pulls off is due to private subgrouping as well.

My question would be something like: regardless of what we know and don't know about a group like The Circle, what is the Anthro Society doing to make such groups so dangerious? Is it that certain leaders are secretly manipulating processes under false pretenses? Is it that the Circle is secretely influencing people in ways that go unnoticed. If Joel and I somehow were able to have private conversations and then mesmerize Tom in such a way that he changes the website to our will, PROBLEM!!!! But if Joel and i simply talk privately and then arguing stubborningly to get our way, I imagine that no matter how annoying we are...our private emails simply don't matter. I'm trying to imagine how, specifically, a secret anthro group could funtion that would be abe to blindside the body of the society.

Jay, I know you have a progressive picture of human health. Is it true that we walk around with all sorts of viruses and bacteria in our bodies but it isn't until our organism, as a whole, gets out of balance that these pervasive microorganisms actually have an effect? I know I'm oversimplifying but I've read that modern medicines paradigmn of targeting the viruses as the main problem is a symptom of a deeper misunderstanding of health in general.

I am not suggesting that sub groups can not form that are inherently insidious and need to be recognized as such. It's just that so far most of the descriptions of The Circle make it sound like, at worst, it is a group of power hungry anthorposophists that have private conversations and try to find out how to make the wider society conform to their wishes. So far I'm not hearing how the political body of the Society itself violates recognized policies. That would concern me because then we could point to concrete activites that locate where specific changes can be made. It seems that any group will form splinters groups and some of those will be awful. A healthy system will be innoculated from the splinters by virtue of its natural health, not because it has devised ways of squashing them or controling them once they form. I would be concerned about anything that suggests a system is actively participating in the cultivation and maintanence of such shadow groups.

I have no doubt that the anthro society is sick, so I would expect that any comprehensive analysis of it would produce examples of how it creates conditions for its own victimization (being "attacked" by malignant splinter groups). But in my attempt to make a conversation about "The Circle" somewhat concrete, I'd be most interested in details that point to specific policies and/or activities that can be discussed and, therefore, acted upon. Just because something is a perceptless concept for one person (me, in this case) doesn't mean there aren't valid percepts out there to be discussed. In other words, I am in no way suggesting that my lack of concrete knowledge of The Circle indicates there isn't a sick group of the sort out there. I just know that if healthy change is to be possible it will result from ignorant people like me having our pereceptless concepts encounter phenomena that give us something to discuss.

If The Circle really is a group operating on its own, why would they be interested in making their documents and practices public. If the anthroposophical society demanded that you, joel, are required to make all your emails public and transparent, wouldn't you have a problem with this just on principal? (In reality, it would be a relatively benign sign if the society showed active interest in your work, but that is a different issue)

At present I'm not too interested in making The Circle the content of my studies. But I think that on this site in particular it is very interesting to look at how such discussions are formed; what assumptions are explict and which are implict? What is assumed about the terms like "sub groups"? Is more attention granted to individual's theories about the shape of their posts, or is more attention directed towards what can be "shown" (I don't mean just by legal documents) and shared? For instance: somebody could read my post and blast me for making assumptions about Joel or John and could use my post as an example of what is wrong in the society. Or they could try to get at my point and see how it might be relavent to the larger discussion. Or they could ask me to specify this or that to help claify an aspect....

My understanding of Joel's general point is that it relates to the healthy functioning of the society as a whole. His suggestion that the society demand that a sub-group reveal its private communications seems to fall under a more general interest in seeing the society move in healthier directions than it has in the past. Regardless of whether I think his particular suggestion is valid, I support what I think is his intention and believe strongly that Joel is a guy who knows how to support healthier gestures in the wider society. gulp

colds and cancer

The question is 'what type of illness is it analogous to?'  (Assuming that it is an illness, of course)

Is it a cold - a self limiting viral infection, or a more serious infection, like pneumonia, which can kill without the proper treatment?

Or is it like a cancer.  Or could it even be 'pre-cancer'.  It is well known that cells that are determined to become cancerous have a longer or shorter stage where they are 'pre-cancer'.  Most of the time, our immune system takes care of the problem, and kills off the pesky pre-cancerous cells before they can develop into cancer.

But sometimes our immune system is 'asleep', and doesn't detect the pre-cancer cells until it is too late, and then, what could have been, in truth, a self limiting problem explodes with no cure and produces a most spectacularly miserable death...

Ever seen a young strapping stud of an 18 year old contract colon cancer and slowly wither, over the course of a year, into what can only be described as a concentration camp victim?

'Believe me' (as they say in Russia) - Not Pretty.

So it remains be seen whether this 'Circle' is a cold, or pre-cancer.

 

 

thanks, Jay: helpful analogs

Thanks, Jay:

And so even with Cancer the focus can shift to how the health of the body as a whole determines if the pre-cancer cells will be ignorned?

I would provisionally think of a "cold" as the very normal type of disagreements and conflicts that can cause banal forms of sub-grouping. I would imagine that "pre-cancer" could be the type of sub-grouping that develops that is rooted in views that go extremely against the norm of the larger whole. It would seem that an actual "cancer" would be when that more radical type of sub-group is now growing strong and beginning to eradicate the larger social group.

Of course in social systems, the future often looks at the "cancer" and sees it as the movements of light. American's don't tend to see the founding fathers as cancerous, but there was a time in which a much larger group of people would have seen their activities in such a light.

Thanks much! gulp

Obi Wan and the AS

Yes, young Jedi - many things depend on our point of view.

jay

Amen, Master Yoda

A thorn in the side?

I find no serious flaws in Joel's reasoning.

The whole idea of this 'in-group' turns my stomach (literally I find it nauseating).

If there is a 'secret in group' which is by invitation only, functioning within the Society with 'members' in upper echelon positions I would have half a mind to drop my own membership.

The only reason I wouldn't is that I still feel strongly that Anthroposophia is still trying to work  through the Anthroposophical Society, and therefore deserves my support.

On that note, one wonders how She experiences the existence of such a little, egoistic power group?

The mental image of a thorn in the side comes to mind.

Is Steiner a Fraud?

For me to believe that Steiner would support the existence of secret groups like the Circle in anthroposophy today would be for me to believe Steiner was a fraud as it goes against everything else he stood for. So I don't believe he would approve of their secrecy today.

But this is nothing new for corrupt anthroposophists to wrap themselves in Steiner to justify whatever anti-social behavior they choose.

Society no longer chosen

Jay,
Do you think Steiner himself would join the anthroposophical society today? An analogy would that the Society was the chosen people for POF like the Jews were the chosen people for Christ. Being rejected by the Jews Paul took Christ to the gentiles. Having been rejected by the Society POF lives with many in the civil society groups. Maybe this is the way is has to be. The chosen people seem to never get it.

The spirit no longer lives in the Society but lives elsewhere. This is something to celebrate, not mourn.

Steiner and the Society

That's a good question...

Your analogy may be more true even than you know, as (it seems to me) alot of people in the Society (the 'dyed in the wool' anthroposophists) figure that when the Steiner individuality 'comes back', 'he' will take up the reigns and start from where 'he' left off...

Sort of like the Jews thinking that the Messiah would come back and rescue them from the tyranny of rome, elevate the Jewish people back to their accorded status (where they 'should' be) and essentially give the Romans (and the rest of the world) a real ass-whooping.  After which of course the entire world would all bow down to them (the jewish people) and say -" Gee, I guess you guys were right all along - you are better than us..."

Well, of course, it didn't quite turn out that way for the jewish people when Christ returned.

And it likely won't be 'like that' (an analogous version) when the Steiner individuality returns, if 'he' is not back already.

I see 'him' as probably being peripherally involved in anthroposophy, not necessarily even being a member of the AS...but hell, I don't know.  I'm just hypothesizing.

With my view that Anthroposophia is still trying to do something thru the AS, I have to say that when 'he' comes back he will be involved in some way, but I don't know how or to what extent.

The thing is, Steiner was so burned out when he crossed, it's anyones bet as to how much 'power' he will have when he returns...I almost wouldn't be surprised if Steiner hasn't reincarnated and is like a misunderstood teenager somewhere, with (obviously) an immense potential, but is having difficulty accessing her (oooops - I said it) spiritual powers because of the hell she put herself thru in her previous incarnation.

Steiner talks about the sacrifice a person makes when they step forward on the world stage and offers themselves and their esoteric knowledge to the world.  For to the extent that they are identified as the supplier of knowledge, to that extent do they 'lose consciousness' in their next incarnation.  To the extent that they 'do good in secret' (random fact - this is called intoku in japanese) they gain consciousness in their next incarnation. 

That's why the so called secret societies are, well, secret. 

Like in Freemasonry - they tell you things that you are absolutely not to tell anyone else.  By practicing this, getting a feel for it (ie - keeping the secret), you learn to keep other things secret, and to yourself, and thereby make certain steps 'forward' that can't really be made in any other way...

Emotives

 

We are skirting round some significant self-awareness issues here. The GAS and the Circle are a specific stimulus for the factors that I am raising.

One issue is that there is a lot of antipathy of feeling towards the GAS. As proponents of PoF, that obviously will have no influence on our thinking or our actions as striving ethical individuals. Anthroposophy is about creative transformation and the GAS is full of potential there. It highlights the role of individual action in a large group. This is a very interesting area of action research that could teach us a thing or two that might be useful in other situations outside the GAS. Can we rise through this emotive mire – not entirely of our own making – and show that there is a spirited way forward? Before anyone thumps on their keyboard to say that they are personally not emotivated, I assure you that I realise that you would not be participating on this site if you were the kind of person to let emotions get the better of moral intuitions. The fact remains that there are a lot of Globally Warming Emotions in the air around the GAS.
 
Another issue is that we have before us reported facts that that are difficult to reconcile with our strongly held and lovingly polished views. As proponents of PoF it makes no difference what Steiner would or would not be hypothetically doing today as only moral intuitions are our guides. So what moral intuitions do we have about this?  How can we distinguish moral intuitions from thinking what we prefer to think? 
 
I wonder if anyone asked Steiner about his personal esoteric practice?  If so, how much did Steiner tell them?
 

It is a natural law among all initiates to withhold from no man the knowledge that is due him but there is an equally natural law which lays down that no word of esoteric knowledge shall be imparted to anyone not qualified to receive it. And the more strictly he observes these laws, the more perfect is an initiate. The bond of union embracing all initiates is spiritual and not external, but the two laws here mentioned form, as it were, strong clasps by which the component parts of this bond are held together. You may live in intimate friendship with an initiate, and yet a gap severs you from his essential self, so long as you have not become an initiate yourself. You may enjoy in the fullest sense the heart, the love of an initiate, yet he will only confide his knowledge to you when you are ripe for it. You may flatter him; you may torture him; nothing can induce him to betray anything to you as long as you, at the present stage of your evolution, are not competent to receive it into your soul in the right way. (KoHW Chapter 1)

If these two laws referred to in KoHW continue to hold validity in our time, is it good to make public all spiritual communications?

Joel suggests that I do something that contradicts my personal mores: to ask someone to do a specific action. This is one reason why I am not a driving instructor. I might, however, invite someone to consider the relevant issue and act in freedom towards a resolution.  I suggest to Joel that you could ask any individual if they are a member of the Circle. You will undoubtedly get an honest answer. You could then ask a member how their membership influences their conduct in society matters. Let us assume that you have asked me. The answer is that I act as ethically as I am enabled out of the principles that are embodied in the context of the matters at hand. For example, I have offered information about the Circle in this discussion.
 
What are the criteria for admission into the Circle? The one criterion is that a person is willing to take up the esoteric work involved to the best of their ability. Information about the Circle is shared according to the conscience of each member. I have witnessed this in individual and group conversations. The admission of new members is based on mutual respect and integrity between individuals. A member will work with a person who is interested, to ensure that they understand what they are taking on. There is no pressure to continue if at any point in that process the person decides to withdraw. This was also the process that the founders followed with Rudolf Steiner. There are no officers or hierarchy; it is a Circle of individuals working quietly at a specific practice. 
 
19. Surely our best citizens must be our least recognized. The real work is not for show. – William Ferraiolo in Cynical Maxims and Marginalia, page 3
During a lunchtime conversation here in Aberdeen recently it was observed that while secrecy may invite questions, the trend of those questions usually arises from the nature of the individual’s response to other life experiences. This is surely an influential factor for which we all here need to be vigilant.
 
 

Diverse website

Thanks John for having enough character to speak about the Circle.

I see Rudolf Steiner's Philosophy of Freedom as a gift to the world. So it would be appropriate that this website would have diverse world representation. As would be expected, starting out we have an imbalance of anthroposophical society members who bring a one-sided society perspective and who come as representatives of a particular group. 

I think we will all be very excited about the website positioning itself to bring in a world diversity of people from a variety of groups and backgrounds who are still able to find themselves in The Philosophy of Freedom if they find POF on this website rather than the narrow perspective of any one particular institution.

So hopefully the website will gradually move to a broader world appearance as we sort out what that is. Bringing in interviews and news about other organizations and individuals is a start in that direction of becoming a diverse collective website but still finding some common ground.

Emotives redux

Dear John Ralph,

Yes, our emotional life has very interesting effects on our consciousness.  Coming from deeper in the soul life, they influence thought in subtle ways, not always apparent.  In my own practice, I found that any crucial thinking, especially where I needed to form a moral intuition or do something particular in my social research, a cultivated feeling was first essential as a foreground out of which to ask the moral question, or the question of knowledge.

In a practical sense it became better to cultivate certain general attitudes of soul, because the wind (the holy spirit) comes when it wills, so often that a certain mastery  of the feeling life is a principle way in which what Steiner calls control of thoughts can quietly rest.  We need ultimately to manage our feeling life such that we mostly approach life out of love and gratitude, as a constant discipline.  This is not always possible, however, for life is full of challenges that pull at our feelings, and they can sometimes easily be moved away from where we would otherwise will it.

The most difficult moral questions are often not easy, but very hard.  It is not so much knowing what is right to do that is the problem, but that what is right to do asks of us something that disturbs our equilibrium.  Ahriman (through his double aspect) encourages us to love a life of moral ease, to not have to face difficult questions, questions which require courage, questions which put us at risk, physically or socially or emotionally.  Better, says the ahrimanic double, to not go into these troublesome places.

The Society's membership, as does the Circle's membership, as does every I on the planet, finds itself facing these kinds of trials in the Age of the Consciousness Soul.  In fact, as the film Pay It Forward so eloquently dramatized, the truest moral questions often require the greatest sacrifices.  Christ went to the Cross.  What crosses are we willing to carry?

The Seven Stages of the Passion of Christ are: washing the feet, the scourging, the crowning with thorns, the carrying the cross, the crucifiction, the entombment and then finally, the resurrection.  If our soul is not being born out of such trials, we are probably traveling a path of moral ease.

For example, I was recentlyy at a Branch meeting were the most terrible kind of thinking was going on.  It was quite painful to experience - to take in thought that was essentially being given over to ahriman, albeit mostly sub-consciously. These people could even be seen as innocent in a way, for the didn't know what they were doing (Father forgive them for they know not what they do).  The Society membship, lacking the actual practical experiences of PoF, lives more in a vain Steinerism, or an intellectualization of the Cosmic Michaelic Intelligence than it does in the Way, the Truth of the Life.

The question for me in such situations is quite difficult, for it is a question of moral technique, the hardest moral question of all.  How do I oppose the lies living in the thoughts in the room, without attacking the individuals more or less innocently (often in good faith, for they follow what has been modelled for them by the leadership) trying so hard to be "anthroposophical".  For those with a glimpse of the meaning of this, for me it is an experience of "the crowning with thorns".  My thinking, in letting in the dark materialistic thoughts of the group, becomes penetrated and stabbed with these lies.  The world of thought which I have struggled to come into intimate contact with for 35 years, this ethereal substance to which my I always yearns to surrrender, is speared by these thoughts that I have to let in, because part of the work is to take in evil and transform it into love.  I have to let it in, before I can seek the healing thoughts and utter them into the circle of those present.

Often, as a result, I make an impassioned speech, for I wait sometime before responding.  After this speaking of the truth, in which I strive to find the right technique so as to not speak out of antipathy to the individuals present, then comes the counter attact.  Since what I utter often must contradict untruths, several in the group still take personally having their sub-conscious lies opposed.  The result then is a "scourging",  Harsh words are spoken to me out of antipathy, and sometimes this continues (as it did this weekend at a meeting of the Social Science Section where I had to counter lies about technology) even if I am silent, or if I reply.  Something that can take the appearance of an argument arises, but in reality it is simply poorly thought out thoughts being confronted by someone who has spend a lot more time thinking about the subject under discussion.

In both recent instances it was poorly thought thoughts about the Internet and its relation to human social life.  Most people don't understand organic thinking (goetheanism), much less spiritual (moral) thinking as is developed under the influence of PoF.  They don't know how to control their thoughts, much less have even an introspective glimmer of their feeling life so as to work on that influence in the soul (and certainly not the least idea of the influence of the threefold double-complex on the will-in-thinking, feelings and thoughts).

I was saying to Tom yesterday, that I am near to ready to simply retire to the country-side in New Hamshire, where a friend has a nice little apartment in her gargage that fits my social security.  Many anthroposophist are too asleep, and then get too angry when you ask them to wake up a little.  You disturb their moral comfort zone, and this releases their own doubles in an attack.  At the Branch meeting I so disturbed the Christian Community priest (a man for whom I have great affection by the way and have always treated with great respect) that he was shouting at me.  The saddest effect is later when it all goes forward as if the prior discussion never happened.   People seem to want to sleep as to the recent past, and then act as if a discussion, that ought to have resulted later in long careful dialogs, never happened.  To be ignored in this way is also very painful.  It is in fact highly likely that my anthroposophical writings (in fact a great deal of the work that has been produced) will simply be ignored (entombed).

The Society is a place of a great deal of moral ease when it comes to questions of the truth.  There is no scientific discipline, and no one really demands that people who write and speak actually know.  In spite of Steiner's requests not to be made into an authority, it is his authority in which nearly every idea is nested.  A clairvoyant friend once told me that in the ethereal Steiner can in Imagination be found standing, weeping and in chains.  He cannot speak.  He weeps for us.  The chains we make everytime we say "Steiner said".  However, in the astral world (Inspiration) he is a voice of warmth, and will speak to you (or so said my friend), for he remains our teacher and our guide.  These are the consequences for his immortal spirit in having joined his karma to ours.  Our karma is a huge weight, a cross he will bear for a long long time.  Every act we do that makes us independent of his thought, lifts a part of this weight.  Every act we do that moves anthroposophy forward, out of the forces of our own I, in its evolutionary sense, lets us share in the carrying of this load.

joel

 

joel

Joel,

Considering that the core of your personal research and passion has no need whatsoever for people to take on very much Christian or esoteric terminology, what keeps you thinking that the society is the best place to have productive dialogs?

I can see how it is nice that the anthro society is filled with people who will enjoy that you can connect your work to esoteric terms, but their very enjoyment of said terms will keep them from being able to join the trust of your social research.

It strikes me that you could find many more creative contexts in which your core ideas would be appreciated if you gave up trying to talk to people who were so captured (quite literally) by tons of seductive mental pictures for which they have no direct experience.

You've written more than a few social essays that make no reference to Steiner or etheric bodies. I can show these to my friends who are very active culturally and potitically and they will respond to the creativity and movement of your ideas. If you needed them to see how those ideas relate to esoteric termonolgy, you would certaintly lose them. But your social work requires no such thing, as I read it.

When I was at Steiner College I was still at the stage where I took such comfort in just being surrounded by nice people who also treasured the profound mental pictures Steiner provided. I remember distinctly what it felt like that first year to walk through the campus and overhear conversations about "the turning point in time", "crossing the threashold", "Steiner mentioned..." I loved those days and I"m so thankful for having had them. But even at the end of my year I was beginning to see what happens when one wishes to know about direct experience. I saw how a very powerful taboo was operating there. Well, and being in Dennis's class we got no shortage of examples of what he goes through everytime he publishes something that contradicts (or seems to) a Steiner lecture.

I know you have a handful of people who are anthroposophists and who share your social impulse. Perhaps that small number is what gives you hope that there could be a new way forward from within the cultural terminology that is the anthropop movement. I don't think that will ever happen. I don't say that cynically at all.

I don't think it is a problem that the society served the function it served at the time it did. It will still be context in which creative and wonderful souls will flow into and out off. I have no problem with the kind of conflict it is in because it seems to mirror the basic conflict that any large and passionate group is going through these days.

However, in terms of you haveing a sense of moving foward within a community, I can only really imagine that happening in a cultural community that is much more committed to a phenomenological approach. I mean a group that isn't all that caught up in a metaphysic of mental pictures, but who are inspired by what can be shown directly to be living in our normal daily experience. This is the great potential I see in work like yours.

I'm more than sure you've thought about everything I'm saying here, but after reading your last post and noticing that I was feeling frustrated for you and sympathetic for the kind of isolation you encounter, I just wanted to respond.

gulp

p.s. considering the strange way I've geographically mimiced you over the last years, I'm worried about your potentional move out east. I just left! Give me a few years at least!!!!