Chapter 4 Section 3 & 4

Submitted by Tom Last on Sun, 06/24/2007 - 11:06pm.

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The World as Percept
Topics:
Conceptual Relationships and Correction of Picture
4.3 Thinking is able to draw threads from one element of observation to another. It links definite concepts with these elements and thereby establishes a relationship between them.


4-3) REALISM (Libra)
[9] We must next ask ourselves how that other element, which we have so far simply called the object of observation and which meets the thinking in our consciousness, comes into our consciousness at all.

[10] In order to answer this question we must eliminate from our field of observation everything that has been imported by thinking. For at any moment the content of our consciousness will already be interwoven with concepts in the most varied ways.

[11] We must imagine that a being with fully developed human intelligence originates out of nothing and confronts the world. What it would be aware of, before it sets its thinking in motion, would be the pure content of observation. The world would then appear to this being as nothing but a mere disconnected aggregate of objects of sensation : colors, sounds, sensations of pressure, of warmth, of taste and smell; also feelings of pleasure and pain. This aggregate is the content of pure, unthinking observation. Over against it stands thinking, ready to begin its activity as soon as a point of attack presents itself. Experience shows at once that this does happen. Thinking is able to draw threads from one element of observation to another. It links definite concepts with these elements and thereby establishes a relationship between them. We have already seen how a noise which we hear becomes connected with another observation by our identifying the former as the effect of the latter.

[12] If now we recollect that the activity of thinking is on no account to be considered as merely subjective, then we shall also not be tempted to believe that the relationships thus established by thinking have merely subjective validity.

Topic: Conceptual Relationships Between Elements Of Observation
  • What we would be aware of, before setting our thinking in motion, would be the pure content of (unthinking) observation. The world would then appear as a disconnected aggregate of objects of sensation : colors, sounds, sensations of pressure, of warmth, of taste and smell; also feelings of pleasure and pain.
  • Thinking draws threads from one element of observation to another. It links definite concepts with these elements establishing a relationship between them.
  • These relationships established by thinking on no account should be considered as merely subjective.
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4-4) IDEALISM (Aries)
[13] Our next task is to discover by means of thoughtful reflection what relation the immediately given content of observation mentioned above has to the conscious subject.

[14] The ambiguity of current speech makes it necessary for me to come to an agreement with my readers concerning the use of a word which I shall have to employ in what follows. I shall apply the word "percept" to the immediate objects of sensation enumerated above, in so far as the conscious subject apprehends them through observation. It is, then, not the process of observation but the object of observation which I call the "percept".

[15] I do not choose the term "sensation", since this has a definite meaning in physiology which is narrower than that of my concept of "percept". I can speak of a feeling in myself (emotion) as percept, but not as sensation in the physiological sense of the term. Even my feeling becomes known to me by becoming a percept for me. And the way in which we gain knowledge of our thinking through observation is such that thinking too, in its first appearance for our consciousness, may be called a percept.

[16] The naïve man regards his percepts, such as they appear to his immediate apprehension, as things having an existence wholly independent of him. When he sees a tree he believes in the first instance that it stands in the form which he sees, with the colors of its various parts, and so on, there on the spot towards which his gaze is directed. When the same man sees the sun in the morning appear as a disc on the horizon, and follows the course of this disc, he believes that all this actually exists and happens just as he observes it. To this belief he clings until he meets with further percepts which contradict his former ones. The child who as yet has no experience of distance grasps at the moon, and only corrects its picture of the reality, based on first impressions, when a second percept contradicts the first. Every extension of the circle of my percepts compels me to correct my picture of the world. We see this in everyday life, as well as in the spiritual development of mankind. The picture which the ancients made for themselves of the relation of the earth to the sun and other heavenly bodies had to be replaced by another when Copernicus found that it was not in accordance with some percepts, which in those early days were unknown. A man who had been born blind said, when operated on by Dr. Franz, that the picture of the size of objects which he had formed by his sense of touch before his operation, was a very different one. He had to correct his tactual percepts by his visual percepts.

Topic: Correct Picture Of World
  • The object of observation I call the "percept".
    • Objects of sensation in so far as the conscious subject apprehends them through observation.
    • My feeling becomes known to me by becoming a percept.
    • Thinking too, in its first appearance to our consciousness, may be called a percept.
  • The naïve person regards their percepts, as they first appear, as things having an existence completely independent of themselves.
  • They cling to this belief until they meet with other percepts which contradict the first.
  • Every extension of the circle of our percepts compels us to correct our picture of the world.
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Glad to Look Outwardly

I tried the imagination exercise presented in Section 4.3: " We must imagine that a being with fully developed human intelligence originates out of nothing and confronts the world. What it would be aware of, before it sets its thinking in motion, would be the pure content of observation."

It was a beautiful afternoon and I stood under the oak trees, trying to relax my mind and let all thoughts fly away, watching the moving light and shadow, feeling the light breeze, breathing in the fragrance of the meadow. It was relaxing and enlivening at the same time. Thinking was like a hawk hovering high up, looking for something to strike.

I couldn't achieve complete thoughtlessness, but could almost pretend I had. There was a kind of breathlessness about it too, or as if I were holding my breath, and the next moment thinking had plunged in, drawing invisible connecting threads everywhere. Later other things appeared: memories, associations, opinions, mild anxieties, etc., tarnishing the day's beauty.

But the original thinking hadn't tarnished the beauty, or diminished it in any way. It was all focused outwardly and made my outer experience richer. I thought, if only I could focus my thoughts outwardly all the time, how happy I might be!

I know that's not really true, but it seemed so at that moment.

Education of a Realist

It's interesting to me that the Realist, in order to answer the simplest question about the objects of observation that we all encounter, is led to an exercise in imaginative thinking that requires her to imagine a completely unrealistic situation!

By following the argument in Section 4.3, the Realist comes a few steps closer to being able to identify with the Idealist point of view.

She realizes, through an imaginative exercise, that the relationships she "sees" in the real world around her are only given to her by thinking. At first this makes her a little nervous. The very basis for her point of view is that the real world can be understood and worked with. If her thinking is merely subjective, how can she trust it to give her an accurate picture of the world?

Then she sees how thinking can be checked for logic. For example, the erroneous "pure subjectivity" of thinking can't be used to disprove the validity of the relationships thinking establishes. This doesn't prove that the relationships are valid, but only that they can't be proven invalid with this argument, leaving the question open.

The topic of the next section, which shows how ideas are corrected by percepts, gives the Realist even more confidence in thinking.

On 4.4

There are so many things to love about this section: Copernicus replacing our sensory experience of the sky with an abstract idea of the Sun as the center of our Universe; the Sun itself, director of this Empiricist chapter in a manner of speaking, appearing as a character, like Alfred Hitchcock stepping off a train in one of his movies; the child reaching for the moon; the man born blind who receives his sight, not directly from Christ now, but through the agency of modern science.

But in order to get at those things I love, I have to leap over the hurdle of percepts correcting percepts. Not sure I can do that! Percepts can't correct anything -- they just are. They bear no relation to anything else whatsoever except what thinking gives them!

Section 4.4 and the Power of Ideas

1) What's the relation of myself, as conscious subject, to the object of my observation? Without myself as conscious subject, there could be no object of observation! At least not the way Steiner defines it here. (And without an object of observation, would I be conscious for long?) Even if the object of observation is an Idea, it needs someone to be conscious of it for it to really live in the world. It has to have a home in some being or other!

2) Steiner defines "percept" at great length here. In the last section, it was more or less a sensation coming from outside or even from inside (pleasure or pain.) Now the definition is broadened to include all feelings, and thinking "as it first appears." But it's also carefully distinguished from "the process of observation." All sensations are percepts, but can the process of observation itself be a kind of percept? I wonder!!! Perhaps the process of observing is like thinking. They both have products (percepts, concepts) but we can't observe them as we do them, only a moment later looking back?

3) Now we meet the Naive Man, who believes the external world is independent of him. He sees a tree and believes that it stands there with the colors that he sees in its various parts. He sees the sun as a disc and notices that it changes position throughout the day. He believes that all this happens as he sees it with his eyes. Then a new percept comes to his attention. Perhaps he walks up to the tree and sees that its bark is not brown, but rather grey, black, green, a whole bunch of different colors. Then the next time he walks by it at a distance he sees that the bark looks brownish again. He's not going to presume that the tree changes its colors when he walks up to it, so he's going to change his idea about colors. What's multi-colored close up can look brownish from a distance. This is a concept. The next time he sees some other tree with what looks like brownish bark, he'll have this concept in his repertoire. He''ll look at the tree and pull this concept out of his store of concepts, but in order to do so he'll have to perceive it by remembering it. The percept of "muli-colored-to-brownish" corrects the percept of "brown." Both are actually concepts, but for the one to correct the other they have to be percepts as well. Otherwise they wouldn't come to the forefront of his mind and interrelate. But as long as he retains his character of "Naive Man," he won't notice himself doing this. He'll think his eyes are fooling him when they show him the brownish, distant bark.

4) I can only correct my mental image of sunrise and sunset by forcibly replacing a breathtakingly lovely, moving experience with the image of vast cosmic bodies in motion. The only way I can imagine these vast cosmic bodies is to picture them as about the size of beach balls, baseballs, and peas. Very undignified! I read somewhere that such a thing as our solar system could never be directly perceived, that the distances are so vast that if someone could get far enough back in space to see the entire solar system, the planets would be invisible because they'd be so tiny. The earth travels around the sun, but the Idea that the earth travels around the sun can never be anything other than an abstract one, one that lives completely in the realm of ideas and only has a home on earth because it lives in our minds. First Copernicus's mind, and now ours. We each have to repeat, in miniature, the Copernican revolution for ourselves. The fact that we do this despite our senses' evidence to the contrary shows the power of Ideas.

Process of Observation

Hi Lori,

Interesting reflections... on point 2), my initial reaction is that I think the way Steiner defines his terms does not really allow us to speak of "the process of perception or observation" in an abstract way as something observable unless we conceive of it as including some kind of thinking activity and therefore taking place on the stage of consciousness.  For otherwise I think this would mean in Steiner's terms something like "the process of bringing the percept into being or creating it".  This kind of idea brings a whole lot of presuppositions with it.  I believe his meaning is that percepts just are...  See his later comments in Chapter 5 where he says that the question as to what a percept is is meaningless:

What, then is a percept? The question, asked in this general way, is absurd. A percept emerges always as something perfectly definite, as a concrete content. This content is directly given and is completely contained in what is given. The only question one can ask concerning the given content is what it is apart from perception, that is, what it is for thinking? The question concerning the “what” of a percept can, therefore, only refer to the conceptual intuition that corresponds to this percept. From this point of view, the question of the subjectivity of percepts, in the sense of critical idealism, cannot be raised at all.

I think Steiner's whole striving in this part of the book is to avoid the subjectivist trap which leads to Kant's dreaded "ding and sich" or "thing in itself" which exists but cannot be known. 

What I mean is that, as soon as we start believing our thinking activity is subjective, that is, restricted to our individual being, we immediately lose sight of the connecting link with the rest of the world.  Then we say, percepts (or perceptions) are created by our own individual organisation so we cannot "really" know what is outside of us.  Steiner goes into this in great detail later on in this chapter.

In 3 and 4 I think you are leading on to the later presentation of the idea of a mental picture as an "individualised concept".

 

Defining the Undefinable

Come to think of it, it's interesting in itself how often Steiner says something can't be said in words, or is absurd to try to define, and then proceeds to describe it in words and define it after all. Or in one chapter he says it's indefinable and in another chapter gives his definition. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't like the subject/object polarity. We have to learn how to hold opposing thoughts in our minds and derive something from their opposition and their togetherness both!

I've been trying to come to terms with the idea of the perfectly definite content of a percept correcting the perfectly definite content of another percept. The only way I can redeem this contradictory idea is to say, it only works when the percepts are concepts and mental pictures!

How do you hold a

How do you hold a parodox?  Answer 1) Be a human being.  Answer 2) One under each arm (hint: you have to ask the question in a South African accent)

Paradox

We have one of these in our neighborhood, on the woodsy ridge that overlooks the farm. They're quite friendly, and could come in handy in an emergency!

and have a braai!

 

Cheeky comment! Actually the correct accent is Seth Afrikan!

 

 

 

beautifully put, Lori

Thanks for showing me how to say it!  You said:

"I've been trying to come to terms with the idea of the perfectly definite content of a percept correcting the perfectly definite content of another percept. The only way I can redeem this contradictory idea is to say, it only works when the percepts are concepts and mental pictures!"

I've written quite a bit on this topic, trying to show how it isn't necessary to use words/concepts that create such stark contradictions on this topic, but I haven't put in so elegantly. 

 In The Philosophy of Freedom Steiner makes (un)clear that percepts are always only concepts, that the idea of the percept is, just that, an idea and that the redemption of thinking lies in our capacity to inquire into- or stay with- the process that is prior to percepts.  Percepts could be thought of as the concept's melody or temporary painting.

What I find most tricky is staying with your insight, Lori, AFTER I've had it.  It is just so easy to slip back into the habitual mental pictures that imagine percepts somehow existing apart from concepts.  But, thank heaven it is the practice that matters more than anything. 

 

Jeff

 

p.s.  take a look at the last part of 5-13{5}  and the last part of 7-13{2}.  Notice the shift in language as Steiner, in 1918, was clarifying PoF.  I think it speaks to this topic really well. 

Thanks, Jeffrey

My insight wasn't as profound as all that, though! All I arrived at was the idea that some percepts (concepts and mental pictures) could correct each other, while others (everything apart from concepts and mental pictures) couldn't. But now maybe I'll see more in the idea, that, as you say, all percepts are concepts. I don't understand this idea very well, because the unity is where the things of the world start, then it gets broken up for our perception and our thinking reunites it. If all percepts were already concepts, then we wouldn't have to think. Or would we? We still, after all, manage to think quite a bit about our concepts!

Glad to see you come back from time to time!
L.

Hi Lori, I think your

Hi Lori,

 I think your insight was profound. In fact I think it is hard to keep hold of because it goes against the dominate habit of mind.  You say:

 “All I arrived at was the idea that some percepts (concepts and mental pictures) could correct each other, while others (everything apart from concepts and mental pictures) couldn't.”

 

I would modify your statement in one small way: I would leave out the second part.  There are no “others”.  Try that out. See if you can find any experiential evidence to the contrary.  Until Steiner, all theories of perception were forced to start from the idea that experience was built on top of bits and pieces of sense data.  Anthroposophy gives us the chances to actually notice that the reverse is true: experiences of "red" and "sound" are highly abstract and only happen long after the mind has become capable of abstraction: mice run away from cats, not pieces of colors and whiskers put together.

 Also, you say,

 “I don't understand this idea very well, because the unity is where the things of the world start, then it gets broken up for our perception and our thinking reunites it.”

 

Ok, but you said right up front: Unity is where things begin (and let's not forget that thinking is also what breaks it up).  This unity is not made out of pieces of other things, like concepts and percepts. No, concepts and "percepts" are come as a result of the broken unity.  The unity never really goes away. Steiner's life was to show that the unity is always there and in participation with "us".  The more the unity is recognized as the reality, the more we see that all these broken bits of things in space and time are really not reality. Yes, we must use them to point ourselves in the right direction, but that is no reason to confuse the map with the territory. 

 

Jeff

 

 

evolving percept dances a jig

the percept evoles/unfolds into the concept (through thinking) and the concepts unfold the mental pictures for us.  I hear a noise (percept), I think about the noise I am hearing and a new concept or various concepts I already hold spring forward out of thinking (this happens almost simultaneously).  My concepts unfold a mental picture of what that sound relates to or may come from.  It's almost like poetry really and if you stop to examine the process, then you step out of yourself and become observer of your own thinking process.  Who is the observer who observes his own thinking through thinking?  This is the fun part.

Cheers,
patri

You might not hold the

You might not hold the concept already, in which case you might have to work harder to find it.  You might make a personal discovery...

Go Big or Stay Home

"Every extension of the circle of my percepts compels me to correct my picture of the world." If this is true, how can we ever trust our mental pictures? For they'll be constantly exposed to new percepts that may reveal their folly. And since there's no possible end to perceiving, no mental picture I could come up with would ever be really safe from further percepts!

This has been bothering me, but then I got to thinking about what an "extension of the circle of my percepts" might mean. I used to think it meant every new percept, but now I'm not so sure. What if it means, every percept that comes to me from a larger or a different point of view? If I'm adding to my store of percepts but staying within the limited circle of my experience, my world view stays the same. But if I gain percepts from outside my experience, everything within the original circle could shift and change.

It occurs to me that even with the most clear-cut mathematical determination of our percepts, it's possible to grant validity to all points of view. No one can deny the validity of the experience of sunrise and sunset. From a larger point of view that's not what happens; the sun neither rises nor sets, and the idea that it could hide behind a cloud is laughable. But from the largest point of view of all, all viewpoints are valid, because the largest point of view sees how all the other points of view arise. The largest point of view contains all others, and transcends them.

Therefore, my goal and my joy should be to look at life from this largest of all possible points of view.

This is very good - very

This is very good - very clear.  The picture of sunrise and sunset is marvellous.  I think the reason that we don't need to fear this widening is revealed in the phrase "working hypothesis".  Rather than "we know that the sun rises and sets", we can change our inner appreciation of this to "my working hypothesis is that the sun rises and the sun sets".  Now what that means is that I operate in my life according to the hypothesis that the sun rises and sets, but I am open to new evidence arising which might change the hypothesis that I use. 

There would be no reason to change the hypothesis unless new evidence arose which developed a better and more useful hypothesis.  That is why there is no need to fear new evidence, because we only need to change our hypothesis and then we only need to adopt the new one if it works better than the old one.

I could say to any materialist scientist I meet "my working hypothesis is that the thinking, feeling and life within me are spiritual in nature and I use this hypothesis in deciding how to operate on a day to day basis because I have found this to be more effective than the previous working hypothesis I had which was that life was the consequence of just the right physical conditions".  Put this way I don't endanger anyone elses position so I don't get attacked as much, and I've put the situation in a way that allows it to be thought about without so much fear by the other person.

An interesting feature of the sunrise sunset hypothesis is that after gathering new evidence and realising that the sun doesn't actually rise or set we don't adopt a new working hypothesis, we carry on with the old one because we find that it serves our purpose so well in our daily lives that we chose to keep it in use, even though we know that it isn't quite accurate.

That fact, that piece of evidence, is I think another example of why we needn't fear new evidence.  Ultimately, we have the freedom to chose our own world view, to chose the hypotheses we use, and we know that slightly wrong hypotheses can still be useful in certain circumstances.  In other words, everything we learn can and should be tested by our real lives and only adopted if we find it useful.  Not right, useful!

 

Working Hypothesis

That's a good way to look at it. I remember hearing an Indian high school teacher tell about how, before a solar eclipse, he lectured to his class about the astronomy and physics around the event. Then he went home to his village and helped with the ritual community bathing to cleanse the soul from the effects of the shadow of the demon who had eaten the sun.

One viewpoint feeds the intellect and scientific knowledge, the other the soul and the faculty of imagination. Both need care and feeding!

Sunrise, Sunset

Yes I agree I think the sunrise/sunset example is great, thanks Lori!

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