Chapter 4 Section 1 & 2

Submitted by Tom Last on Mon, 06/18/2007 - 10:50am.

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The World as Percept
Topics:
Cause and Effect and Conceptual Reference
4.2 I ought never to say that my individual subject thinks, but much more that my individual subject lives by the grace of thinking.



4-1) MATERIALISM (Cancer)
[3] A philosopher widely read at the present day -- Herbert Spencer, -- describes the mental process which we carry out with respect to observation as follows:

[4] If, when walking through the fields some day in September, you hear a rustle a few yards in advance, and on observing the ditch-side where it occurs, see the herbage agitated, you will probably turn towards the spot to learn by what this sound and motion are produced. As you approach there flutters into the ditch a partridge; on seeing which your curiosity is satisfied -- you have what you call an explanation of the appearances. The explanation, mark, amounts to this; that whereas throughout life you have had countless experiences of disturbance among small stationary bodies, accompanying the movement of other bodies among them, and have generalized the relation between such disturbances and such movements, you consider this particular disturbance explained on finding it to present an instance of the like relation. A closer analysis shows matters to stand very differently from the way described above. When I hear a noise, I first look for the concept which fits this observation. It is this concept which first leads me beyond the mere noise. If one thinks no further, one simply hears the noise and is content to leave it at that. But my reflecting makes it clear to me that I have to regard the noise as an effect. Therefore not until I have connected the concept of effect with the perception of the noise, do I feel the need to go beyond the solitary observation and look for the cause. The concept of effect calls up that of cause, and my next step. is to look for the object which is being the cause, which I find in the shape of the partridge. But these concepts, cause and effect, I can never gain through mere observation, however many instances the observation may cover. Observation evokes thinking, and it is thinking that first shows me how to link one separate experience to another.

[5] If one demands of a "strictly objective science" that it should take its content from observation alone, then one must at the same time demand that it should forego all thinking. For thinking, by its very nature, goes beyond what is observed.

 

Topic: Cause And Effect

Observation

  • Hear rustle from ditch and see herbage agitated.
  • Turn towards the spot to learn by what this sound and motion are produced.
  • See partridge flutter, curiosity satisfied.

Spencer's Explanation: Generalized relationship based upon countless experiences.

  • Countless experiences of disturbances and movements.
  • Generalized relationship between them.
  • This disturbance an instance of this relationship.

Observation evokes thinking: It is thinking that first shows me how to link one separate experience to another.


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4-2) SPIRITISM (Capricorn)
[6] We must now pass from thinking to the being that thinks; for it is through the thinker that thinking is combined with observation. Human consciousness is the stage upon which concept and observation meet and become linked to one another. In saying this we have in fact characterized this (human) consciousness. It is the mediator between thinking and observation. In as far as we observe a thing it appears to us as given; in as far as we think, we appear to ourselves as being active. We regard the thing as object and ourselves as thinking subject. Because we direct our thinking upon our observation, we have consciousness of objects; because we direct it upon ourselves, we have consciousness of ourselves, or self-consciousness. Human consciousness must of necessity be at the same time self-consciousness because it is a consciousness which thinks. For when thinking contemplates its own activity, it makes its own essential being, as subject, into a thing, as object.

[7] It must, however, not be overlooked that only with the help of thinking am I able to determine myself as subject and contrast myself with objects. Therefore thinking must never be regarded as a merely subjective activity. Thinking lies beyond subject and object. It produces these two concepts just as it produces all others. When, therefore, I, as thinking subject, refer a concept to an object, we must not regard this reference as something purely subjective. It is not the subject that makes the reference, but thinking. The subject does not think because it is a subject; rather it appears to itself as subject because it can think. The activity exercised by man as a thinking being is thus not merely subjective. Rather is it something neither subjective nor objective, that transcends both these concepts. I ought never to say that my individual subject thinks, but much more that my individual subject lives by the grace of thinking. Thinking is thus an element which leads me out beyond myself and connects me with the objects. But at the same time it separates me from them, inasmuch as it sets me, as subject, over against them.

[8] It is just this which constitutes the double nature of the human being. We think, and thereby embrace both ourselves and the rest of the world. But at the same time it is by means of thinking that we determines ourselves as an individual confronting the things.

Topic: Conceptual Reference
  • Human consciousness is the stage upon which concept and observation meet and become linked to one another.
  • Thinking must never be regarded as a merely subjective activity. Thinking lies beyond subject and object.
  • When we as thinking subject, refer a concept to an object, we must not regard this reference as something purely subjective. It is not the subject that makes the reference, but thinking.
  • We think, and thereby embrace ourselves and the rest of the world. But at the same time it is by means of thinking that we determine ourselves as an individual confronting the things.
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Straining for Effect

I've tried to catch myself in the act of carrying out the steps that Steiner mentions in connecting a sensation with its source, and it's very difficult. I hear a familiar musical clucking sound up at the greenhouse and at first pay it no mind; it's part of the general background noise of birds, bugs and frogs here at the farm. Then a feeling of irritation, accompanied by tenderness, arises in me, linked to the sound. An odd combination of feelings! I emerge from my focus on the task at hand and grasp at memory. Why do I connect this odd combination of feelings with this sound? Of course, it's the clucking that quails (a problem at our farm) use to encourage their chicks (a sound full of parental love and concern). Realizing this I'm satisfied, as Spencer says, with the explanation, and return to my work.

The sound is obviously an effect, but I didn't think of it as such. As an effect it has a cause, but I didn't think about that at first either. It wasn't until my feelings struggled against each other that I asked "why?" Then I began to search for the cause of these mixed feelings. So I must have recognized my feelings as an effect, because otherwise I wouldn't have tried to find their cause. But that wasn't my conscious experience. My conscious experience was that instantly I linked my feelings with the sound, felt bothered, and went right to memory to identify the source of the sound. So all those in-between steps Steiner mentions here happened so fast I couldn't notice them. No wonder Spencer missed them!

To learn what really happens when I add thinking to observation, it seems that I must make the net of my attention much finer and use it much more quickly! Otherwise I may know that I must have thought about effect first, cause second, but won't be able to recall actually doing so.

If a Materialistic approach shortchanges the role of thinking, maybe it's because the net of attention strains too coarsely. As in 3.1, a large part of thinking remains unobserved.

Still No Effect

1) Steiner writes, "my reflecting makes it clear to me that I have to regard the noise as an effect." Maybe his reflecting does that for him, but mine sure doesn't for me. The only clear thought I might have is, "There must be a reason for that noise." So far I haven't managed to find the "effect" thought anywhere in my conscious mind, except as a back-formation from cause. Maybe that's good enough???

2) A certain kind of philosophy insists that concepts are nothing more than generalizations from experience (observation.) Steiner says, thinking is added to observation and transcends it. But doesn't "to generalize" mean a kind of thinking? Not the best kind, perhaps, but thinking nevertheless. So I really don't get the difference here and I've tried many times to understand it without success.

3) Thinking is being separated from observation here. A million stacked-up observations won't result in one concept without our thinking activity. So even the most materialistic, empirical scientist has to admit that thinking has to enter in at some point. And because the topic is "completely objective science," that opens the materialistic mind to the idea that thinking can be completely objective.

Hardline and Softline Percepts

Lori -

I find myself confused by some of the same issues that you are - if I understand you correctly you are wondering what exactly an 'abstraction' is (in the sense that Steiner uses the term so critically - and ad nauseum, I might add - when discussing modern natural science).

I have been reading Steiner intensively for years now (not just the fluff either - I have spent hours poring over his works on Goethean science) and I am still not sure I understand what an 'abstraction' is.

Beyond this we have the problem of what Steiner means by 'percept', because he seems to use it in different ways through out the text.  I think if we cornered Steiner he would probably tell us that he has a 'hardline' version of the percept and a 'softline' version. 

The hardline version is one in which it is completely unpermeated by concepts.  He means it in this sense in 4-3 when he is talking about a person who materializes out of nothing and sees the world for the first time.

He also uses the hardline definition of percept in 5-12 when he makes his final argument, ("What is a percept?"  Silly question - we can only ask what concepts appropriately attach to percepts, because if we said what a percept was then we would be attaching a concept to it and it would no longer be merely a percept.)

The 'softline' definition of percept comes into play anytime a we refer to something outside of its complete connection (I would like to say, it's imbeddment, but don't know if that's a word) with the conceptual world.  That is to say, anytime we do refer to something and do not connect all the proper concepts that belong to it (of course - only an Initiate knows how any natural object is completely imbedded in the conceptual, or spiritual world - this is what Steiner means when, in HTK, he refers to an Initiate learning the true names of things).

But, different people attach fewer or more concepts to their percepts.  And I think this is one of his main criticisms (really, his only one) of modern natural science.  It attaches only a paucity of concepts to its percepts.  And to the extent that concepts are not properly attached to percepts, they remain  'perceptual' in nature- they are merely 'there' ( In Steiner's 'naive' sense).

Because we do this we 'objectify' the world...

and along with it, other people.

As it turns out - that creates problems.

Hi Jay. In "Theosophy" as I recall...

...Steiner says to the effect: when we form a thought about a mineral body we have to do with two things- a thought and a sense impression.

He then goes on to say immediately, somewhat explicitly I thought:

"...accordingly we must imagine that this sense object is a condensed thought being". (I can't give chapter and verse, sorry)

I feel the need to mention myself as part of any such thought being. In this way I free myself a little from the awkwardness of contradictory defenitions. Of course hardline and softline are very helpful and legitimate in their way, but there is something about this approach that makes me want to, rather artificially perhaps, affirm myself as a presence in the cognitive equation.

I am also not sure how I feel about deferring explicitness of meaning to some future initiate state. 

I just thought I'd risk mentioning these things. Pof and all things assosciated with it is such a delicate affair. 

Thank you for your post and the opportunity to reply.

Love

Bryn                                                                   

thanks

Hmmm...interesting...I'll have to look for those passages the next time I read it...

thanks

Generalization/Åbstractions?

Hi Jay

Is "abstraction" the same as "generalization?" Maybe so! I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a different kind of movement of thinking than what Steiner and Goethe would consider correct thinking applied to Nature and human beings. If all the cats I see are black (this is an example used somewhere by Steiner, I think) then I can generalize from there that all cats are black, but as soon as I see a grey cat I'm back to square one. Maybe that's called deduction or something like that. Or in another famous example there's the "featherless biped" definition of a human being, which also applies to a plucked chicken. I get the feeling that it's like looking at a bunch of percepts and drawing a conclusion. Then again, isn't that what all thinking does?

If Newton decided that color was the different rays that white light can get broken down into, that leads to another conclusion, which is that white contains all colors. This isn't true, is it? Goethe found that different colors are the deeds and sufferings of light. This is a much more beautiful conclusion, more like a beginning than an end. They were both looking at prisms, but came to wildly different ideas about what they saw. It must be the different kind of thinking that they used.

You're right -- I'm confused and getting moreso!

Hardline/Softline

It does seem to be right what you say about the "hardline" and "softline" definitions of "percept." What's confusing is that in 4.3 he introduces the hardline version, then seems to soften it up for the next section; otherwise how could percepts correct percepts?

Maybe part of the idea is to learn to accept more fluidity in definitions.

Getting the jist

My personal opinion (or momentary hypothesis) is that, when Steiner does this kind of stuff (and he does it alot), he is trying to get us to the point where we are no longer thinking in words, but have to get a feeling for his meaning. In this way our conceptual capacity is stretched and enhanced, made stronger.

Like Steiner himself says, rather bluntly (and this is also one of the keystones of the anthroposophical view of the evolution of consciousness), we have to first have a feeling for something, before we can have knowledge of it.

So, by shaking up our logical, 'word thinking' capacity so that we at first 'get the jist' or the feeling of what he is trying to say, we can work on that and then come to knowledge, as a way of speeding up the evolution of the reader...

If this book were easy to understand, it also wouldn't be very beneficial, just like lifting a 1 pound dumbell would not be beneficial for the average, healthy adult to gain strengh...

Generalizations

 

Maybe we should back up.

In your post, you said,

A certain kind of philosophy insists that concepts are nothing more than generalizations from experience (observation.)

What specific philosophy are you referring to?  Something referenced in POF?  Something from one of Steiner's lecture cycles?  An independent reading of yours?

Generalizing

In 4.1, Steiner quotes Spencer: "The explanation, mark, amounts to this; that whereas throughout life you have had countless experiences of disturbance among small stationary bodies, accompanying the movement of other bodies among them, and have generalized the relation between such disturbances and such movements, you consider this particular disturbance explained on finding it to present an instance of the like relation."

So, does "to generalize" mean, as if to say, "In general, such things occur together?"

Generalizations are also like stereotypes, aren't they? They contain some truth but somehow get things backwards, especially regarding human beings, objectifying them, as you point out.

Apparently, to generalize isn't the same as to identify a cause-effect relationship, as Steiner implies by saying that Spencer got it wrong and then showing us what really happens.

Didn't Hume say that we only got the idea of cause and effect by habitual association of two events in order of time, and that there really wasn't any such relationship? I guess that would be a generalization! But as some other philosopher points out somewhere (maybe Steiner in Truth and Knowledge) the very attribution of our sense of cause and effect to habit is, in fact, an attempt to present cause and effect.

General abstractions

I have a feeling here (as I said before - I don't think I completely understand Steiner's use of the term 'abstraction') that Spencer's 'generalization' is terribly close (or even the same) as what Steiner would refer to as an 'abstraction'.

Just think about how many of us have a tendency to generalize (or abstract) qualities we see in one member of a socioeconomic group and apply them to people who are not deserving. (For example "All people from group X have quality (or act like) Z"

This seems to me a generalization and also (I feel) an abstraction.

Caught in the Act

Almost caught the "effect" thought in the greenhouse. Glancing at a flat with several missing lettuce plants, I recalled learning not to pass such things by, because they mean something. They're caused by something. What missing lettuce usually means is a snail hiding somewhere nearby. A good thing not to pass by if I don't want to lose more lettuce!

To say that a percept is caused by something is really to define it as an effect. So it's as if "to mean something" or even "to exist" signifies, by definition, "to be part of a cause/effect relationship."

I wonder if part of the idea of these first two sections of Chapter Four is to recognize that some concepts, like Cause/Effect and Subject/Object, can't exist separately, any more than the top and bottom of a plate. When you take hold of the top you take hold of the bottom, and vice versa.

Stage or Mediator?

Something that always strikes me in 4.2 is how human consciousness is supposed to be both a stage for thinking and observation, and a mediator between them. How can something be both a stage and a mediator? A stage is a passive place, while a mediator is an active agent.

What does a mediator do? It moderates extremes, balances and directs energies, provides an environment where diverse things or people can unfold their characters and work in harmony.

A stage is an empty space, but it has a floor and an orientation, and can be whatever the director wants it to be, given its limitations. It comes to life when inhabited by characters and viewed by an audience.

Can consciousness evolve from being a stage to being a mediator? Is the mediator the director who uses the stage? Is normal consciousness the stage and awakened consciousness the mediator?

Soul Flowering in 4.2

Sebastian wrote recently, in Sunbear's journal: "I've been reading The Incarnating Child and it puts it very clearly on p133-135.
• Sentient Soul:  sensing things
• Intellectual Soul:  amoral thinking logically about things
• Consciousness Soul:  picturing the whole with a moral dimension"

The more I look at Section 4.2, the more I feel a movement from one soul state to another. At first, consciousness is said to be the stage upon which thinking and observation meet and become linked. This reminds me of the Sentient Soul.

Then the Intellectual Soul starts to develop. A somewhat passive observation of the given gives way to active thinking, as thinking moves from mere reflection to active direction of observation. In the process, the world gets split up into subject and object.

The Consciousness Soul starts to emerge, when thinking turns upon the self and self-consciousness develops. Finally, when thinking contemplates its own activity, the subject and object become one, and there's a return to unity, but at a higher level.

I love this part: "my individual subject lives by the grace of thinking.... It is just this which constitutes the double nature of the human being. We think, and thereby embrace both ourselves and the rest of the world. But at the same time it is by means of thinking that we determine ourselves as an individual confronting the things."

Thinking gives us our loving unity with the world (we embrace it and ourselves!) but enables us to remain self-determined individuals.

Yes, I see that too.  This

Yes, I see that too.  This section is heavily marked up in my book.  What is exciting for me is the size of the foundation blocks that are being laid.  They are great big huge Stone Henge sized foundation blocks and they are being manoeuvred in to place with a lightness and deftness of touch that belies their size.  Actually, I can clearly see them and they are floating in to place...

Spencer's Dog

Spencer describes experience quite accurately. It's ordinary experience he describes. If I hear a noise in the undergrowth I turn toward it to learn what caused it. So does my neighbor's labrador retriever, Indio. In that sense we might well be considered equals, the dog and I, except that he has better ears and quicker reflexes. But our turning toward the sound is purposeful in both cases.

Indio and I turn toward the noise for different reasons, or do we? Indio doesn't think about cause and effect. His instincts, reinforced by two years of life experience, connect certain kinds of noise with possibilities that need to be checked out. My curiosity is less intense, since this particular kind of noise doesn't connect with danger in this neighborhood, much less with food. But it could be said, and often is, that human curiosity is just a refinement of the same basic survival skills that all animals possess.

Steiner doesn't describe ordinary experience here. Instead, he lifts the curtain on reflective thinking. Spencer doesn't concern himself with the relating of concepts that goes on under the surface as I turn toward the noise. In Steiner's version, Indio and I are quite different. Steiner slows down the human process so we can understand it, just as an Olympic dive can be slowed down on film so we can appreciate all the moves that otherwise happen too rapidly to see.

Spencer's Mirror

Kristina Kaine wrote, in Right Understanding -- Two, (http://www.philosophyoffreedom.com/node/1497), "We cannot simply transpose our material understanding into spiritual concepts. It does not work that way. We have to do the reverse by integrating our spiritual understanding into our worldly view... If our understanding comes from the head then it is the astral body, the body of consciousness, which is at work. The astral body acts as a mirror; it reflects the outside world into our soul. Many spiritual philosophies say that whatever we perceive in the outside world, be it beautiful or ugly, it is simply a reflection for what is going on within us. This is only true for our instinctual life. If the sense world is our only reality then, yes, we won’t accept the signs from spirit, we won’t believe the higher spiritual impulses, we will only experience the physical world as it is mirrored within us."

I've been struggling to understand how the astral body, which animals and humans both possess, can be a mirror that reflects the outer world into us. To my material understanding, mirrors don't let anything through, which is why they reflect. If they let anything through, they'd be windows! Unless they're like those convex mirrors that reflect around the corner, they'd actually be in our way when we tried to look at the world.

The way Spencer describes his experience with the partridge, it seems to fit in with what Kristina is saying. Maybe we really are looking through mirrors when we look unthinkingly at the world! Vaporous mirrors that we believe are windows. Steiner's response to Spencer starts to cut through this vapor.

Is Subjectivity an Illusion?

Steiner says:

We must now pass from thinking to the being that thinks; for it is through the thinker that thinking is combined with observation. Human consciousness is the stage upon which concept and observation meet and become linked to one another. In saying this we have in fact characterized this (human) consciousness. It is the mediator between thinking and observation. In as far as we observe a thing it appears to us as given; in as far as we think, we appear to ourselves as being active. We regard the thing as object and ourselves as thinking subject. Because we direct our thinking upon our observation, we have consciousness of objects; because we direct it upon ourselves, we have consciousness of ourselves, or self-consciousness. Human consciousness must of necessity be at the same time self-consciousness because it is a consciousness which thinks. For when thinking contemplates its own activity, it makes its own essential being, as subject, into a thing, as object.

I find this an extremely tricky train of thought to follow... What on earth is he getting at?

Well, I have tried observing thinking... that is an exceptional state, as Steiner says, in which I can achieve absolute certainty that thinking is a fact.  Going on from that, I hit a limit when I try to say what a concept is (what a concept is cannot be said in words...).

Give up on concepts, so where to next... I am eager, even impatient, to apply my new discovery of the being of thinking to the world around me but... suddenly Steiner wants to talk now about the being that thinks, consciousness... wait a minute, didn't he say before that he wasn't interested in consciousness... no, not quite, he said that he didn't believe it was valid to take consciousness as his starting point. 

So now he wants to go back to... what was it? In Chapter 1 "the one who acts out of knowledge"?  Perhaps it's related to that.  It does seem that if I swing wildly back and forth between observation and thinking that I am missing this most important element in between... That is often the way with abstract thinking, for example... refer to your theory, think it through, then try and fit reality into what you have thought out.  Or not!

So, consciousness... my subject... the stage upon which concept and observation meet and become linked to one another... what an interesting characterisation, but is it true?   Well it is kind of hard to catch myself in the act of joining the concept "tree" to my observation of the tree because I'm totally focussed on "the tree" - hey, that was the point of Chapter 3 I think!  But now if I return to this fundamental experience of observing thinking... what is its relationship to "my" consciousness, "my" thinking which is both my activity and an object of observation?

And what is consciousness?  I realised I couldn't really say what a concept was in words, so how come I can say what consciousness is?  Because, as Steiner says, thinking can contemplate its own activity, make its own essential being, as subject, into a thing, as object.

So he's deliberately not saying "my thinking".  Very deliberately, in light of the next paragraph.  So it seems I am to proceed from an experience of participation in what seems to me a process (thinking) to understand my own consciousness and "subject" (i.e. little old me) and the contrasting existence of the "object" as produced by thinking:

It must, however, not be overlooked that only with the help of thinking am I able to determine myself as subject and contrast myself with objects. Therefore thinking must never be regarded as a merely subjective activity. Thinking lies beyond subject and object. It produces these two concepts just as it produces all others.

Very strange, I will have to think about this a little more...

 

Subjectivity -- a Relation?

Hi Tim

This replies only to your title because of the rush of the morning. Don't you feel like "subject" is a relation to "object" in the way that the positive pole of a magnet relates to the negative pole? Or the back of a saucer to the front? You can't have one without the other. I'm even thinking of section 4.4 now where he asks us to reflect on the relation between "conscious subject" and "object of observation." It struck me that it would be extremely difficult to be an "unconscious subject." And also I thought about those sensory deprivation tanks where, in the absence of percepts, people lose consciousness.

Yes Polarity

Hi Lori,

Yes I think so - the idea of two polar opposites manifesting themselves simultaneously is powerful isn't it but also common sense.

What comes to mind for me is the contrast between purely intellectual, abstract thinking where one identifies a collection of related concepts, defines the relationship between them and derives the results - for example, in mathematics - and the thinking that weaves back and forth between two opposing limits - as here, subject and object don't really make sense  unless they are both there with human consciousness as the "stage on which they meet and become linked to one another".

The latter kind of thinking is more realistic and mobile, however it builds upon the first kind of thinking - I think!

Dense Poetry

Hi Tim

I finally gave up trying to understand that whole paragraph you mention here in my habitual way of trying to understand things. But while struggling to understand it intellectually I'd begun to sense a development in the way thinking (or perhaps rather "awareness") is described. So then I put that sense of movement and development together with the idea of sentient soul, intellectual soul, and consciousness soul, and then started to feel that I was understanding the whole thing in a different way. That let me off the hook of feeling like a complete dunce.

It went something like this: the sentient soul corresponds to consciousness as a stage, but somehow we have to become the directors of the play. We start by differentiating what we receive from our surroundings with our own selves as we think about ourselves and the world ("In as far as we observe a thing it appears to us as given; in as far as we think, we appear to ourselves as being active.") The split between subject and object grows more distinct as our intellect develops. ("We regard the thing as object and ourselves as thinking subject."). We look out at the world as fully developed intelligences, but at the same time self-consciousness grows, the beginnings of the consciousness soul. Finally we learn to think about our own thinking, and a kind of unity of subject/object appears. There's a movement from the simple unity of being just a stage, to the duality of subject and object, to the unity of subject and object in thinking about thinking.

So anyway, after I went through all this a few times I felt that I'd gained a lot from the paragraph even though I still start getting tangled up in the threads of abstraction if I try to read it intellectually. It really appeals more to me to read it as if it were really dense poetry.